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While "remembering", Please Don't Forget The 400,000 Muslims Who Were Our Allies In Ww1.
While "remembering", please don't forget the fact that some 400,000 Muslim soldiers fought or laboured for Great Britain in WW1.
Although somehow I doubt this will dilute the Islamaphobe's bigotry and hatred. A good try though.
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Although somehow I doubt this will dilute the Islamaphobe's bigotry and hatred. A good try though.
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I have never categorised my remembering, it has always been for all who served. Never forget.
18:45 Fri 09th Nov 2018
//please don't forget the fact that some 400,000 Muslim soldiers fought or laboured for Great Britain in WW1. //
not strictly correct Canary. the figure of 400,000 represented those of the Islamic faith who were from what is now Pakistan. In total, more than 800,000 muslims were recruited to the great war, and at least 89,000 are known to have died. in the UK, only 20% of the population are aware that muslims fought at all, and less than 10% of those are aware of how many there actually were in the Great War.
not strictly correct Canary. the figure of 400,000 represented those of the Islamic faith who were from what is now Pakistan. In total, more than 800,000 muslims were recruited to the great war, and at least 89,000 are known to have died. in the UK, only 20% of the population are aware that muslims fought at all, and less than 10% of those are aware of how many there actually were in the Great War.
400,000? Are you conflating muslim soldiers with Indian soldiers? The only muslim regiments and brigades were fighting with the Ottoman Empire forces...... against the British and allied forces. Certainly non were enrolled in GB or conscripted, mainly because there were no muslims to speak of in Britain in 1914. A thought too ponder. Islam does not encourage followers to show allegiance to Nation states, but to only fight for the Ummah.
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Dad witnessed Indian soldiers throwing their weapons away and running away in the face of Japanese attacks.
He also said the Japanese recruited Sikhs to control POW's and they were particularly cruel.
At liberation, some of the Sikhs were attacked by the prisoners, and thrown headfirst down the latrines. True.
He also said the Japanese recruited Sikhs to control POW's and they were particularly cruel.
At liberation, some of the Sikhs were attacked by the prisoners, and thrown headfirst down the latrines. True.
I am not sure you can say they "fought or laboured for Great Britain"
WW1 was not OUR war, we tried to stay out of it. It was only our past promises to defend Belgium that brought us in to it (we signed a treaty along with France, Germany etc after Waterloo that none of us would ever fight on Belgium soil again. When Germany invaded Belgium at the start of WW1 they broke that treaty so we were duty bound to go and fight.
The French also "blackmailed" us to bring us in to WW1 - we had an agreement with France that their Navy would patrol the English Channel with their ships to keep the German navy out, and we would patrol around Gibraltar to protect ours (and their) interest there.
They said if we did not join the war they would remove their naval ships from the English channel, leaving it wide open for the German navy.
WW1 was really a war between Germany / Austria Hungary and others against Russia / France / Belgium.
We could have sat on the side lines (though if Germany had won of course they would have "ruled" Europe).
Note also in WW1 that the Germans gave weapons and aid to the Muslims in Afghanistan so they would attack the British in India, the theory being we would need to send troops to defend India which would reduce the number of troops we could have in Europe.
So that was an example of the Muslims fighting AGAINST the British in WW1.
WW1 was not OUR war, we tried to stay out of it. It was only our past promises to defend Belgium that brought us in to it (we signed a treaty along with France, Germany etc after Waterloo that none of us would ever fight on Belgium soil again. When Germany invaded Belgium at the start of WW1 they broke that treaty so we were duty bound to go and fight.
The French also "blackmailed" us to bring us in to WW1 - we had an agreement with France that their Navy would patrol the English Channel with their ships to keep the German navy out, and we would patrol around Gibraltar to protect ours (and their) interest there.
They said if we did not join the war they would remove their naval ships from the English channel, leaving it wide open for the German navy.
WW1 was really a war between Germany / Austria Hungary and others against Russia / France / Belgium.
We could have sat on the side lines (though if Germany had won of course they would have "ruled" Europe).
Note also in WW1 that the Germans gave weapons and aid to the Muslims in Afghanistan so they would attack the British in India, the theory being we would need to send troops to defend India which would reduce the number of troops we could have in Europe.
So that was an example of the Muslims fighting AGAINST the British in WW1.
Perhaps we also need to remember the dead from the former Rhodesia, whose relatives are not allowed to attend the Remembrance ceremonies.
By November 1918, more than one in ten Southern Rhodesians - 846 out of approximately 8,100 who were sent to fight in Europe - had been killed.
Of the 26,000 troops who served in the Second World War, roughly 8,000 of whom were sent to Europe, East Africa, the Middle East and Burma, 916 were killed, according to official historical records.
By November 1918, more than one in ten Southern Rhodesians - 846 out of approximately 8,100 who were sent to fight in Europe - had been killed.
Of the 26,000 troops who served in the Second World War, roughly 8,000 of whom were sent to Europe, East Africa, the Middle East and Burma, 916 were killed, according to official historical records.
And "Please Don't Forget" there is no "Tomb of the Unknown Victim" - and in WW2 there were 'Civilians killed totalled 50 to 55 million, including 19 to 28 million from war-related disease and famine. Military deaths from all causes totalled 21 to 25 million, including deaths in captivity of about 5 million prisoners of war.'
Big increase in civilian death toll compared to WW1 " The war killed almost 7 million civilians and 10 million military personnel."
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