Northern Ireland Betrayed.

[Theland]

Theresa May has betrayed the people of Norhthern Ireland by kow towing to the Republic and the EU.
The loyalists won't stay quiet, and I don't blame them.

[Old_Geezer]

With all the 'noting' and 'recalling' one needs solicitors to produce a layman's synopsis.

[Togo]

//A border down the Irish Sea? //

It is all cant and obfuscation. There is already hard border in existence in the Irish Sea. Varadkar's government with EU complicity erected and maintains a hard border against Northern Irish fishermen overturning generations of neighbourhood agreement, that existed before either the UK or Ireland were even in the EUSSR, whereby fishermen from both jurisdictions enjoyed reciprocal access to each others waters. The previous Irish administration pledged that this would continue and allow the fishermen to continue to benefit from the historic fishing patterns as had previous countless generations. Encouraged and egged on by the EUSSR who greatly covet British fishing grounds the new Irish administration, two years ago banned all boats from Northern Ireland. The UK as yet has not retaliated, indeed they have not even reported it, nor has the lick spittleBeep Beep Sea(see what I did there?)The Irish backstop "question" is a confected problem that has been eagerly seized upon by the remainiacs and swallowed hook line and sinker by the half wit sheeple who could not understand a debate even if their lives depended on it. There will be no deal. Even if it got through our rancid parliament it will not cross the EUSSR cesspit of lies. We should have walked immediately, and fired a few warning volleys, instead of conducting a shambolic rear guard retreat under fire

[Adfa]

What makes you think you're supposed to understand it

[New Judge]

“A border down the Irish Sea?”

I’m only up to page 320 (where the Irish question is mentioned). I’ve necessarily been only scanning and speed reading. I see no border in the Irish Sea thusfar. The reason for that is that there is no need. Instead what I do see is a continued common customs area encompassing the UK and the rest of the EU enduring for many years beyond the “transition” period. What I also see is a continued financial UK obligation to contribute to the EU coffers for many years.

This document does not detail how we leave the EU. It describes how the UK will remain under the pernicious influence of the EU for many years to come. If leaving “on good terms” involves this, far better we leave under a cloud.

[vetuste_ennemi]

//Jesus the treaty of separation of the Irish free state was one page
holy mary mudder of god dis is 600 p//

The extra 599 pages are needed in order to provide clarity.

Surely that's obvious, isn't it?

[Jackdaw33]

Can anyone explain to this simple ABer exactly what is meant by 'backstop'. To me it sounds like a position in rugby football.

[Khandro]

As Jacob R.M. says; "£39 billion for NOTHING"!

[Mamyalynne]

New to me too Jack
https://fullfact.org/europe/irish-backstop/

[Togo]

Backstop. The remainiac's line in the sand Jackdaw...…...that goes in and out with the tide or left and right with the wind.

[jno]

jackdaw, it's in baseball.

[Jackdaw33]

Thank you, but I'm none the wiser. What a silly term.

[jim360]

I don't think the withdrawal agreement does anything even remotely close to what Brexiters asked for, and May is transparently lying if she calls this a deal that honours the result of the referendum. On the other hand, I've argued -- and still argue -- that this is because, on the time-frame she set herself, properly honouring the result was always impossible.

I am also skimming the agreement as best I can: a few articles that caught my eye as particularly devastating to hopes of "taking back control" include (so far);

Article 4(5)
Article 8
Article 34(2)
Article 50
Article 87
Article 89
Article 95
Article 129(1)
Article 129(3)
Article 132(1)
Article 132(2)(d)
Article 140(3)

Talbot -- let me know what you think of the text of those ones.

[Jackdaw33]

This has as much chance of getting through parliament as I have of becoming the next pope.

[AuntLydia]

This has as much chance of getting through parliament as I have of becoming the next pope-ess

[Zacs-Master]

‘The remainiac's line in the sand Jackdaw...…...that goes in and out with the tide or left and right with the wind‘

Quite poetic, Togo. Like the use of the word cant too. Speshly on a Theland thread.

[vetuste_ennemi]

You don't need to read the document. There was a simple man's summary - just a single sentence - in Barnier's statement (and I paraphrase): "If at the end of the transition period it is considered by both sides for the transition to be extended...".

[tonyav]

Evening Standard explains how she will get it through !
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-deal-explained-how-theresa-may-will-get-the-eu-agreement-through-parliament/ar-BBPIdAM?li=BBoPRmx

[vetuste_ennemi]

You could encircle the earth with the smirks on Juncker's and Tusk's faces.

[spathiphyllum]

"(f) "day" means a calendar day, unless otherwise provided in this Agreement or in provisions of
Union law made applicable by this Agreement ."

Dear lord help us..

20:21 for BA

[jim360]

Quite, v-e: one of the articles I highlighted has a reference to the Joint Committee (of EU and UK members) being able to provide for a single extension "until 31 December 20XX". Which, presumably, allows that to be set at any year this century.

That, and Theresa May's own -- remarkable -- decision to talk of there being a choice between "this deal... or no deal, or no Brexit at all" [my italics], makes me wonder if, after all, we'll end up staying.