Another Brexit Vote Required, Or You May Lose Scotland From The U.k.

[Bravehearted]

Now that all the lies spun to the UK by Boris and Gove etc etc., have come back to bite the Brexit numpties in England, let’s see it they have the sense to have another vote. If we leave, just wait until next year and when you try to enter an EEC Immigration point. We’re doomed I tells ya!

[emmie]

Douglas, i always think that we are better together than apart and that businesses, MP's think so too. Ms Sturgeon doesn't which is a great pity for those that want to remain part of the UK>

[rowanwitch]

You say it like its a bad thing. We will still have Scottish friends, drink their whisky and go their as tourists. We will have to relocate some of our military especially naval stuff but we will get by and get along.

[Kromovaracun]

I suppose in a grim sort of way it makes sense to make all of our most economically destructive decisions at once rather than every few years....

[youngmafbog]

If the Scottish want to go then fine by me.

Perhaps have a vote to see if everyone agrees with you?

[emmie]

ymb
i don't want to see us split, its taken over three hundred years for us to get this far, lets not sell it down the river for the sake of Ms Sturgeon and her cohorts.

[mushroom25]

as long as the cybernats don't think that the day after a "yes" vote they'll be swearing allegiance to president sturgeon - they won't. the process of independence will require years and years and years of dis-aggregation, and the co-operation of Westminster.

[Old_Geezer]

With the existence of the SNP everything has a risk of breaking up the UK, probably even stirring one's tea in the morning.

I, also would like for the Union to remain. Heck, I'd even be ok with the RoI realising their mistake and returning to the fold. We've two main islands in this part of the world, plus some smaller ones, it just makes sense to be a single unit and benefit from the strength of unity. It's not like we're, continent wide with different cultures. But if any part is foolhardly enough to leave it's difficult to prevent it so, so be it. Meanwhile expect those individuals and organisations who aim to be alone to use any excuse to push their agenda.

[diddlydo]

For those who don't believe Brexiters are numpties, please look at this BBC article which shows that the better educated voted to remain in the EU.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034

[Old_Geezer]

Those who were comfortable with the existing status quo, and didn't want to deal with the disruption of change, were keen to remain. (Especially if they didn't feel loyalty to any particular nation, didn't give a darn about their country's sovereignty, and were prepared to be dictated to by an unelected foreign elite.)

[Old_Geezer]

Looks to be that article shows that leave voters were the wise elders and the less educated young who had the sense to listen to them. That leaves those educated enough to be comfortable and unwilling to risk what they personally had by leaving, as the remainers.

[10ClarionSt]

If Scotland gained independence, they want back in after 5 years. It'd be disastrous for them. But let them have it if they want it. Hey ho.

[SparklyKid]

Hadrian got it right, keep the red haired screaming numpties out.

[SparklyKid]

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For those who don't believe Brexiters are numpties, please look at this BBC article which shows that the better educated voted to remain in the EU.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034

08:41 Fri 16th Nov 2018


BBC article, are you for real. I would not believe Aunty beeb if she said today was Friday

[KARL]

I find it a striking and saddening fact how condescension and sneering together with simplistic statements sprout on threads such as these. When Alistair Darling opened the "Better together" campaign he said in the first paragraph of his speech that of course Scotland could manage on its own, but...... He was right and the ensuing campaign to persuade Scottish voters to vote against independence demanded more and more effort as time went on. It got to fever pitch when the opinion polls hit evens from having started at around 20% for independence - trainloads of Westminster politicians and ministers were trekking to Scotland to put their weight behind the Together campaign.

In the Scottish referendum 1.6 million voted for independence and 2.0 million voted against. In the Brexit referendum 16.1 million voted to stay in the EU and 17.4 million to leave.In the Scottish referendum the turnout exceeded 84% whereas the Brexit referendum brought out just over 72%. There was not a lot of difference between the for/against percentage margins in the two referenda.

The trumpeting/shouting of "going against the will of 17.4 million people" competes with "going against the will of 16.1 million people" except one rarely if ever hears the latter mentioned. Yes, this is the way the political system of majority decision works, but it can be very unsatisfactory to a lot of people.

The true effects of Brexit will not be known for many, many years and, in my opinion, few if any can reliably predict them. It is the nature of us as a mass of people to largely accommodate the unpalatable and try to enjoy what benefit we can squeeze out of life. However, it really is quite interesting, even instructive, how some people refuse to acknowledge certain facts. To me one of these is the insistence on ignoring that again and again the most impressive societies turn out to be smallish ones, notably including ones that are in close co-operation with others but independent. And, please, let's leave the black-and-white argument of "slavery" being what co-operation equates to - life is no longer about the simplicity of bullying, conquest and the subjugation/exploitation of empire building, nor is it the remembering/reliving past wars.

The UK is conspicuously reluctant to objectively compare itself with the rest of the world, instead ploughing on in some sort of "bubble" where being "different" is about the only thing that matters. Yes, being better/best means being different, but the equation most certainly does not work in reverse. Assuming superiority is nowhere near guaranteeing superiority.

[spathiphyllum]

Brexit…what a disaster!

Neither “Leave” nor “Remain” is happy.

People didn’t know exactly what Brexit meant in the first referendum. What’s being discussed isn’t what they expected. They were lied to…

There’s nothing anti-democratic about holding a second referendum. And this time, the consequences need to be properly explained.

People need to know what “OUT” and “IN” really means!

[mushroom25]

//There’s nothing anti-democratic about holding a second referendum. //

maybe but it won't happen. the only vote that's likely (and only then if the conservative party implodes) is a general election. both labour and conservative leaders have said there'll be no second referendum, so whoever wins, it won't happen.

[gulliver1]

Emmie 07.44, " I always think we are better together "
Spot on Emmie. Hope we remain.

[Kathyan]

diddlydoo there was no exit poll at the referendum, so what are they basing their figures on?

[diddlydo]

Read the whole of the article properly - or maybe it's too long for those accustomed to e.g. the Daily Mail

[mushroom25]

the article doesn't say whether those with degrees were equipped with proper vocational qualifications, or whether it was just youngsters with fashionable names having completed the 400,000th version of a dissertation about Quentin Tarantino films.