May Says It Won't Be A Better Deal

[emmie]

if she goes, who would take her place at this late stage, and if the deal doesn't get through Parliament what happens next.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46250607

[Old_Geezer]

If it isn't a bluff we're doomed anyway. May as well call it rather than cower from threats and capitulate, as some do.

[pinkgin]

Personally I do not believe ANY of those trying to stab her in the back would be any good as a replacement.
She may make mistakes but she is totally honest, courageous, hardworking and straightforward. Qualities many of those holding the daggers just do not have.

[ichkeria]

Why do you think another leader - eventually -(when eventually the dust had settled and the blood washed from the carpet) would make the slightest difference for the good now?
I’ve never understood this and I understand it even less at this stage.

[Old_Geezer]

Because they may do something useful for the country rather than insist on a draft agreement that drops this nation in it.

[Theland]

https://brexitcentral.com/erg-publish-right-know-case-governments-brexit-deal/

[ichkeria]

Yes I understand that og, but what sort of ‘useful thing’

[dannyk13]

pinkgin //but she is totally honest//
You have to be joking!

[Old_Geezer]

Slinging the draft deal, offering to re-negotiate with the EU without further costs, and if there's a refusal, accept the situation and get us out, no deal.

[New Judge]

As pretty and amusing as it is, your allegory is incongruous, Karl.

Most of the people who voted to leave the “bowls club” have no wish to retain any of its benefits or use any of its facilities. The reason the current mess has arisen is because our illustrious leaders who have been “negotiating” our departure have viewed the exercise as one of damage limitation, a problem to be solved, when they should have seen it as the opportunity that it is.

If you want to provide a sporting parable for comparison I suggest you consider the schism that occurred in Rugby Union football at the end of the nineteenth century and into the twentieth. At that time the clubs from the north of the country were increasingly of the belief that their interests were not being served by the southern dominated Rugby Union. In 1895 22 northern clubs decided to resign from the Rugby Union. The RU immediately imposed sanctions against the clubs and their players in an effort to “bring them into line”. But the breakaway clubs did flourish; they didn’t want anything from the Rugby Union and although using the RFU’s existing laws of the game, they gradually constructed their own laws and own competitions. Today Rugby League is one of the most watched and successful sports in the world. Much more appropriate than your bowls club, I think.

[ichkeria]

And how soon do you think even a temporary leader could be agreed on to attempt the surely impossible task of persuading the EU that it’s wasted last two years and to effectively start again?

[emmie]

why would we have to start again.

[Old_Geezer]

How long does it take to elect a new leader of the Tory party ? I didn't note last time but it was a just over a fortnight then wasn't it ? Anyway if it takes a long time maybe we'll have left by default first and that'd sort the issue.

[ichkeria]

With a new deal.

[dannyk13]

We wouldn't and neither would the EU/

[Old_Geezer]

The EU would either have to extract their digit or run out if time and find we've left already. Not an issue.

[ichkeria]

Can you imagine how bloody a Tory leadership election would be?
None of you are living in the real world here. Even the idea that somehow in all the muddle we’ll somehow get past March 29 and whoops! we’ve suddenly left is a nonsense. Was that what you meant??!!

[dannyk13]

Ich, I know thatyou are a dyed in the wool remainer but you do spout some rubbish.

[ichkeria]

The EU won’t care enough about us “just leaving” to bother.I heard Crispin Blunt - possibly along with Sammy Wilson the most extreme Brexit supporter in Parliament claiming that the EU would be desperate for us not to just crash out. He is of course wrong.

They’ve spent two years on this: they want it to end. The options were spelled out by the PM the other day: they are Deal, no deal or stay.
And no deal won’t happen because we won’t allow it, not the EU. Because we have a lot more to lose.
I still reckon this will be passed eventually, no doubt with some “tweaks”

[dannyk13]

Dream on Ich.

[jim360]

All of the leadership candidates people here seem to be clamouring for have no interest in taking the job. Why is that? I should think it's perfectly obvious: they know how hopeless it is to negotiate anything better, and they know how hopeless it is really to crash out with "no deal"; but shouting from the sidelines and distancing themselves from the current mess looks good and appeals to those who still haven't got the message. The UK cannot stand up and reject all that's on offer because to make such a rejection is ruinous in the short term, and therefore of little benefit in the long term.

A leadership change at this point just pours yet more fuel onto the fire. *That's* the real rubbish being spouted.