Time For A New Referendum ?

[weecalf]

Is it time for a new referendum .if its out out we go deal or no deal if its in have a general election and let’s get on with looking after our country . there was a referendum I hear you say .Aye there was but this time no politicians involved let the people decide not like last time when we did not know who to believe .

[Theland]

Only if for example, it is properly explained that we have to give up our democracy to stay in.

[mushroom25]

//no politicians involved //
that can't happen.
referendum needs act of parliament. politicians.
referendum needs the question defining. politicians.

I could go on...….

[Zacs-Master]

As has been pointed out many times, Parliament has to pass fresh legislation for there to be a second referendum. To image that wouldn’t involve politicians is extremely naive.

[AuntLydia]

It has been suggested tht may might try to do a deal with the Labour party in that if they support her Chequers deal, she will promise a 'peoples' referendum with three alternatives:

I support the Deal on the Table
I support a no deal
I wish to remain.

If that came to pass I don't know how I would vote as I voted to leave, but not on the terms May seems to have negotiated.

[weecalf]

What I ment was call a referendum right . until a result is decided no political input .When the people decide then parliament gets involved says to the rest of Europe we have decide to leave these are our terms . Then just leave . where’s the problem ? by the way MPs can vote as the gereral public do . solved next question please

[diddlydo]

Theland "Giving up our democracy to stay in" is absolute rubbish.

[mushroom25]

//I support the Deal on the Table
I support a no deal
I wish to remain. //

no possibility of that being agreed - that scenario would, by splitting the leave vote, guarantee a win for remain.

[rowanwitch]

We voted leave, I for one hope it is no deal despite the risks. Democracy should not be a game of best of three, oh hang on I lost again. Let's make it best of five. I don't believe the deal on the table is in the best interest of the country but I do not want to see us closely tied to a European super state.

[ichkeria]

Parliament has to pass legislation for a referendum. You can’t “not involve” politicians.
However the reason a referendum might be an option is because politicians might not be able to agree how else to proceed.

[diddlydo]

Mention of a European super state is mere scaremongering and an opinion only voiced by those who do not understand the EU at all.

[ToraToraTora]

here is what I put on another thread, I think it's appropriate here too: "Parliament clearly won't pass the deal so there is no point in putting it through just to show that. May cannot be removed by the Tories for a year. Cob cannot force an Election without tempting some Tories and the DUP. The former won't want a GE and the DUP won't either if there is a chance that republican supporting Labour get's in.QED There is no chance of a GE. So either we drop out with no deal or they have a PDQ second vote and we stay or leave with no deal on that. May has already said that a 2nd referendum will be a betrayal of the first, so no deal looks increasingly likely. "

[emmie]

we don't know who to believe currently, let the referendum that was stand and leave with No Deal.

[Theland]

Diddlydo - Unelected rulers? What am I missing here?
What is Nigel Farage and the whole of UKIP missing here?
You must know something they don't!

[ichkeria]

Of course the reality of not being part of a “European superstate” is that we’d be in hock instead to the WTO and to other nations of the world many more powerful politically than us (er, including the “European super state” whose own trading standards and rules we’d still have to accept (with no influence on the latter this time).
In this day and age you cannot be a wholly independent nation to exist satisfactorily: that’s the hard truth.

[emmie]

Ickeria we have managed before and can do so again.

[ToraToraTora]

ich: "we’d be in hock instead to the WTO " - err I don't think we'll be borrowing from the WTO, they are not a bank.
"“European super state” whose own trading standards and rules we’d still have to accept " - err we are leaving the EU why would we obey their rules? - why do you think so little of our nation?

[gulliver1]

The only way out of this Tory Shambles is a second referendum, they dare not risk a G/E, Just look what happend when they called the last G/E To try and increase their majority, which they thought was a cert.

[-Talbot-]

10:53 Sun 16th Dec 2018


Correct.

[weecalf]

With respect this thread is getting bogged down is stuff I don’t for one understand .the leaving will be difficult but the staying now could be more difficult . So what’s best leave or stay . I would imagine if we don’t leave our great grand children will have the same dilemma .so stay for good or leave now but on the peoples say now they can maybe understand it more .No not best of five but a vote by people who now understand the complex situation better .

[mushroom25]

//a vote by people who now understand the complex situation better . //

no such group of people exists.