New Eu Referendum Would Break Faith With Britons, May To Warn Mps

[naomi24]

I first thought that Mrs May was living in Cloud Cuckooo Land but now I genuinely believe she takes the electorate for complete fools. By betraying the result of the referendum in attempting to cling to the EU by the skin of her teeth if necessary, regardless of the cost to the country, she's already broken faith with Britons. Who would trust her? Lies, lies, and more lies.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46586673

[naomi24]

''she is probably not nearly so foolish as you think: //

I didn't say she's foolish. I said she takes the electorate for fools.

[jim360]

Fair enough -- even so, my point stands: there is more support for the deal than you are giving it credit for.

How far we have come from 2017, when you were insisting that May was right to call an election, right about everything, and that "A percentage of the electorate clearly prefer Cloud Cuckoo Land", or "I think her fault lies in her naivety. She assumed the British electorate were more savvy than they are."

So maybe she's just finally in agreement with you? :P

[naomi24]

Jim, I've never insisted she was right about everything - I'm not even sure I said she was right to call an election. I might have said I understood what her intention was, but right? Hmmmm...

// there is more support for the deal than you are giving it credit for. //

I haven't given credit or otherwise - and she most certainly isn't in agreement with me. You're making it up as you go along - again.

[jim360]

I'm not making anything up -- you're welcome to say that as much as you like but ti doesn't become any less false.

[naomi24]

But you are making it up, Jim. Read my post at 12:43.

[jim360]

I did read it, and you're still wrong about me.

[naomi24]

Jim, Over the years I've been talking to you I've lost count of the number of times I've had to tell you "I didn't say that". Twice already on this thread - and we're only on page 2! Please make the effort to stop misrepresenting me.

[jim360]

I've literally directly quoted you twice. I'm happy to dig up hundreds more verbatim quotes, if it makes the point.

Put bluntly, you've misread Theresa May, and the British Electorate, from the start. You were told so plenty of times, but you never paid any attention. Maybe now, you might.

[Zacs-Master]

I think what you're saying in your OP, Naomi is partially incorrect. You seem to be forgetting that she's got approx 50% of conservative voters who wanted to Remain to satisfy, as well as the leave voters, if the Conservatived are to stay in power. She's in a no win situation but trying to do the best under the circumstances. I admit, she's not doing a very good job, but we're in uncharted waters. I for one wouldn't want her job and this is probably why she won the leadership confidence challenge i.e. no one else wants it as it's political suicide. TM is a very good example of someone who has had 'greatness thrust upon them'.

[youngmafbog]

"she's got approx 50% of conservative voters who wanted to Remain to satisfy, "

No she has not, they lost.

What part of democracy do you not get?

[naomi24]

Jim, //I've literally directly quoted you twice.//

You've literally attributed words to me that I haven't said - again. Stop it.

[Zacs-Master]

The one where, if she *** us off, she risk Corbyn getting in. I do hope that's in enough of a Tabloid style for you to process.

[jim360]

// "A percentage of the electorate clearly prefer Cloud Cuckoo Land", or "I think her fault lies in her naivety. She assumed the British electorate were more savvy than they are." //

Those are two direct quotes from you from last year. Look them up if you like. I can provide hundreds more, if you wish -- or if you don't, for that matter, since as far as I'm aware what I do or don't post on this thread is entirely my choice, rather than yours.

[dannyk13]

And once again a thread is derailed.

[naomi24]

Jim, those quotes aren't in contention - but keep digging. Some archive you keep!

danny, I will not be misrepresented and I make no apology for defending myself.

[dannyk13]

Jim, I made no reference to who caused the derailment, only that it occurred

[jim360]

AB keeps an archive -- it's not difficult to search it, really.

[jim360]

I assume you meant to address Naomi in your most recent post, danny. In any case, I don't think it's been derailed.

[dannyk13]

Jim, arguing about who posted what is has nothing to do with the OP which is a derailment.

[New Judge]

"What would have been a 'good deal'? Maybe those who voted Leave can enlighten us,..."

No "deal" is necessary. All that is needed is for sensible arrangements to be put into place to enable the UK to trade with EU countries in the same way that every other country does. There is also a need for agreements that currently form part of EU treaties which cover things such as Road Transport, Aviation and medicine to be continued so that business that carry on without the ridiculous scaremongering that the various incarnations of “Project Fear” keep on producing. Other countries – even those with contiguous land borders - manage this without being subject to political control and there is no reason why the UK cannot. This is what politicians should have spent the last two years doing instead of trying to devise ways of keeping the UK entrapped in various schemes that the EU devises to keep its members constrained by their edicts.

“All you more fanatical among Brexit supporters should be cheering her on in her current predicament because if she continues to flounder like this we will leave the EU on March 29 which inexplicably seems to be what you want.”

There is nothing “fanatical” about wanting to leave the EU and those wanting to do so are not “extremists” as I heard Mr Hammond describe leavers as last week.