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Is "focusing On The Genitals Transphobic"?
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Whichever way the spin is spun surely everybody agrees that the story in the link below highlights an absurdity. And if you don't agree, why not?
The 'woman' in the link may now have an inny rather than an outy, but in every other respect he's a bloke. Just look at the size difference between him and the proper women. By competing with real women he has an unfair advantage. If he's that good, surely he should compete against the men - or is the truth that in competing against the men, he's actually only an average rider?
Oh - while we're at it, if he's going to pretend to be a woman, at least make the bloody effort to look like a woman.
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The 'woman' in the link may now have an inny rather than an outy, but in every other respect he's a bloke. Just look at the size difference between him and the proper women. By competing with real women he has an unfair advantage. If he's that good, surely he should compete against the men - or is the truth that in competing against the men, he's actually only an average rider?
Oh - while we're at it, if he's going to pretend to be a woman, at least make the bloody effort to look like a woman.
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Talk about, "Elephant in the room", were nos. 2 & 3 simply too scared of being labelled transphobic?
Where on Earth are we heading? I just read something by Joan Collins (yes that one) she writes, 'watching Strictly Come Dancing, alongside a young female person, I referred to a woman who was performing rather badly as "the girl in the pink dress". 'You can't say that' the teenager squeaked indignantly. 'It's sexist and incorrect.'
'What should I say?' I asked. 'The individual in the pink dress, she replied. 'We can't assume how she identifies.'
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Where on Earth are we heading? I just read something by Joan Collins (yes that one) she writes, 'watching Strictly Come Dancing, alongside a young female person, I referred to a woman who was performing rather badly as "the girl in the pink dress". 'You can't say that' the teenager squeaked indignantly. 'It's sexist and incorrect.'
'What should I say?' I asked. 'The individual in the pink dress, she replied. 'We can't assume how she identifies.'
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//'What should I say?' I asked. 'The individual in the pink dress, she replied. 'We can't assume how she identifies.' //
It simply needs people to reject utter nonsense such as that. If young people are foolish enough to be bludgeoned into believing that is sane and rational behaviour that's up to them. Meanwhile those of us that wish to retain our marbles should behave normally in case we get locked up.
It simply needs people to reject utter nonsense such as that. If young people are foolish enough to be bludgeoned into believing that is sane and rational behaviour that's up to them. Meanwhile those of us that wish to retain our marbles should behave normally in case we get locked up.
Khandro
Under the IOC rules, transgender males are allowed to compete in the male category without restrictions. Transgender females face more restrictions. They must show that their testosterone has been below 10 nanomoles (one billionth of a mole) per liter of blood for 12 months prior to their first competition. They must then maintain at or below this level through the period of eligibility. They are subject to testing.
The above is from an well thought out piece:
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The piece contains this point:
This debate is hardly new. A decade ago I first wrote about transgender athletes for VeloNews, and I reported on the topic again in 2011 for The New York Times and in 2015 for The Wall Street Journal. In each instance, I saw a familiar scenario play out. Those few transgender athletes participating in sports were met by the torch- and pitchfork-toting masses. Those athletes who raised serious concerns over fair play and equality were either lumped in with the bozos or completely drowned out by the chorus of angry tweets and offensive chants. In all cases, intelligent and nuanced conversation was overshadowed by hate.
I think there's some truth in there.
Under the IOC rules, transgender males are allowed to compete in the male category without restrictions. Transgender females face more restrictions. They must show that their testosterone has been below 10 nanomoles (one billionth of a mole) per liter of blood for 12 months prior to their first competition. They must then maintain at or below this level through the period of eligibility. They are subject to testing.
The above is from an well thought out piece:
https:/
The piece contains this point:
This debate is hardly new. A decade ago I first wrote about transgender athletes for VeloNews, and I reported on the topic again in 2011 for The New York Times and in 2015 for The Wall Street Journal. In each instance, I saw a familiar scenario play out. Those few transgender athletes participating in sports were met by the torch- and pitchfork-toting masses. Those athletes who raised serious concerns over fair play and equality were either lumped in with the bozos or completely drowned out by the chorus of angry tweets and offensive chants. In all cases, intelligent and nuanced conversation was overshadowed by hate.
I think there's some truth in there.
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If Mako Vunipola decided he was a woman (after all, we are now told (and are meant to take it seriously) that people can choose their gender on a fluid basis) and wanted to play for the English women's team, would this be acceptable?
And if not, why not?
What would be guaranteed is that they would never ever lose again.
Frankly, it's all a total load of nonsense.
If a man wants to transition to be a woman (even though they cannot - it can only ever be their interpretation of womanhood) then fine, let's indulge them, but from a sporting perspective they should not be allowed to compete against proper women.
And if not, why not?
What would be guaranteed is that they would never ever lose again.
Frankly, it's all a total load of nonsense.
If a man wants to transition to be a woman (even though they cannot - it can only ever be their interpretation of womanhood) then fine, let's indulge them, but from a sporting perspective they should not be allowed to compete against proper women.
"I think this case is an outlier, and it’s best if the IOC sets out rules so that outlier cases are dealt with fairly."
All the talk of testosterone levels and other scientific mumbo-jumbo is irrelevant. People such as Dr McKinnon are making a mockery of sport and risk destroying female competitions in the process. There's big money in many sports and once the bandwagon gets rolling, aided and abetted by members of the "trans" lobby who see any criticism or opposition as heresy, it will be very difficult to stop.
It's unfortunate that some people find it necessary to change the gender which is clearly the most appropriate for their physiology. However, life's tough and they should realise that if they do so there will be some things they will no longer be able to do. Talk of the participation of "sport" as a human right is nonsense. Of course nobody should stop them running round the local park, going for a swim (providing they use the correct changing rooms) or cycling wherever they wish. But there is no human right to participate in female competitions when you are a man. The best thing the IOC (and other sporting bodies) can do is to declare that participants are restricted to participate only in competitions for members of the gender they were assigned at birth. There declaration could be something along these lines:
“If a man wants to transition to be a woman (even though they cannot - it can only ever be their interpretation of womanhood) then fine, let's indulge them, but from a sporting perspective they should not be allowed to compete against proper women.” (Copyright: Deskdiary).
All the talk of testosterone levels and other scientific mumbo-jumbo is irrelevant. People such as Dr McKinnon are making a mockery of sport and risk destroying female competitions in the process. There's big money in many sports and once the bandwagon gets rolling, aided and abetted by members of the "trans" lobby who see any criticism or opposition as heresy, it will be very difficult to stop.
It's unfortunate that some people find it necessary to change the gender which is clearly the most appropriate for their physiology. However, life's tough and they should realise that if they do so there will be some things they will no longer be able to do. Talk of the participation of "sport" as a human right is nonsense. Of course nobody should stop them running round the local park, going for a swim (providing they use the correct changing rooms) or cycling wherever they wish. But there is no human right to participate in female competitions when you are a man. The best thing the IOC (and other sporting bodies) can do is to declare that participants are restricted to participate only in competitions for members of the gender they were assigned at birth. There declaration could be something along these lines:
“If a man wants to transition to be a woman (even though they cannot - it can only ever be their interpretation of womanhood) then fine, let's indulge them, but from a sporting perspective they should not be allowed to compete against proper women.” (Copyright: Deskdiary).
NJ
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All the talk of testosterone levels and other scientific mumbo-jumbo is irrelevant.
Surely it is very much relevant. The IOC needs to establish rules otherwise these arguments wil continue.
Also ‘scientific mumbo jumbo’???
Science is called ‘mumbo jumbo’ when it doesn’t chime with what we believe.
You write:
All the talk of testosterone levels and other scientific mumbo-jumbo is irrelevant.
Surely it is very much relevant. The IOC needs to establish rules otherwise these arguments wil continue.
Also ‘scientific mumbo jumbo’???
Science is called ‘mumbo jumbo’ when it doesn’t chime with what we believe.
"Surely it is very much relevant."
Not in the case of Dr McKinnon, it isn't. "She" weighs in at 200lbs (and that's a muscular 200lbs, not a fat 200lbs). Her opponents average around 135lbs. Yes, I read about the relevant "power to weight" ratios but I was a half decent rower in my youth and I can tell you if you have eight oars with 15 stone on the end of each one and eight oars with 10 stone on the end of each one, no amount of testosterone will make the lighter boat go faster than the heavier one.
"The transgender lobby doesn’t actually exist."
Just my term. Have a look at the aims and objectives of "Stonewall" and in particular see what impact they had on the government's ridiculous decision to allow self-identification of gender by individuals.
Not in the case of Dr McKinnon, it isn't. "She" weighs in at 200lbs (and that's a muscular 200lbs, not a fat 200lbs). Her opponents average around 135lbs. Yes, I read about the relevant "power to weight" ratios but I was a half decent rower in my youth and I can tell you if you have eight oars with 15 stone on the end of each one and eight oars with 10 stone on the end of each one, no amount of testosterone will make the lighter boat go faster than the heavier one.
"The transgender lobby doesn’t actually exist."
Just my term. Have a look at the aims and objectives of "Stonewall" and in particular see what impact they had on the government's ridiculous decision to allow self-identification of gender by individuals.
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