Do You Agree With These Parents?

[youngmafbog]

I must admit I do hold some sympathy. Whilst I certainly do not condone homophobia I really dont think schools should be promoting LGBT propaganda for children as young as this.

But will the Muslims be able to do better at halting this mad rush to push sex (all types) onto young children than the Christians or atheists have been?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6655811/School-revolt-Muslim-parents-object-LGBT-equality-classes.html

[jim360]

It's the "mission to spread" thing that I am objecting to. I'm not particularly going to argue the case that 5-year-olds specifically should be given a sex education -- but I object to any characterisation of that as "propaganda".

[sherrardk]

No, I don’t agree with these parents. ALL children need to be aware that not all families are mum, dad and 2.4 children, just the same as ALL children need to be aware about different faiths and religious beliefs. I don’t remember seeing any reports lately of white, C of E parents protesting that their children are being taught about other faiths. In reality, I bet the school spends less than 2 hours of the whole academic year on LGBT topics.

[naomi24]

You're entitled to object if you want to. Personally I think it's accurate.

[naomi24]

^That to Jim.

[jim360]

Being told "it's ok to be gay" is not propaganda. Being told that "you should be gay, try it out" clearly would be. The second one is not happening.

[youngmafbog]

You dont know that jim, I am 100% sure you would not in that sitiation but not everyone is like you. As I said in the OP I dont believe at this age there is any need for pushing any sex agenda straight or whatever.

Too young.

[Deskdiary]

I'm not 'cis-gender' (ridiculous phrase), I'm a heterosexual male. Like it or not, the vast vast majority of people are heterosexual, and therefore 'normal' by any objective measure is a reasonable word to use.

Being gay or whatever is perfectly OK, and discrimination of people of a different sexuality to those who have a normal sexuality is abhorrent, so I have no issue at all with an awareness of different sexuality being taught in schools, however, it shouldn't be taught in primary schools - that's too young for any sex education. As somebody has already said, let children be children.

[Jackdaw33]

Cis-gender is the most ludicrous term I have come across.

[woofgang]

Naomi "Woofgang, by using the term cis gender to describe yourself you’ve labelled all heterosexual women. I will certainly go on being normal. I’m happy with that."

How does a label I choose for myself to describe me affect you?

[jim360]

Why? Once you allow for the existence of transgender people, then it stands to reason that you want a term that isn't so dismissive to describe those who are not trans. Cis-gender then becomes a perfectly reasonable word, at least in technical discussions on the subject.

[naomi24]

Woofgang, How does it affect me?

//Cis gender: denoting or relating to a person whose sense of personal identity and gender corresponds with their birth sex.//

That’s the label that you say describes you – and, therefore, by extension, it describes me too.

[Jackdaw33]

As has been said, what's wrong with normal?

[naomi24]

Jim, //... you want a term that isn't so dismissive to describe those who are not trans.//

No I don't. I don't need one.

[sherrardk]

Naomi, nobody is forcing you to use the term - so don’t. If Woofgang wants to use the term, then that’s up to her.

[Prudie]

Normal is perfectly fine to describe heterosexuals in that they are in the majority and would sit within the bulk of a normal distribution. I agree that this is far too young and I'd give the guy more credit for his motivation were he straight.

[jim360]

You're not obliged to use it yourself, but the word's now part of English parlance, so others can happily go on using it.

As far as I can see it's just a repeat of the battle over heterosexual v. homosexual that will have taken place when those words were coined in the mid- to late 19th Century.

[naomi24]

Sherrard, the term has been applied to people like me. I am entitled to object to being labelled - and I do.

[douglas9401]

How is it pronounced, 'cis gender'?
C.I.S? Siss? Kiss? Chiss? Thith?

Just in case I have to drop it into conversation sometime.

[pixie374]

I disagree with them. It would obviously need to be age appropriate, but sex education starts from birth... this is a girl, that is a boy... mummy and daddy have the same bedroom etc. That might be all they know, but it is a gradual process and there is no reason not to know that it isn't always a male and female.

[jim360]

"sis", dougie. I'm sure you'll use it all the time now that you now :)