Should This Prisoner Be Allowed An Iman In The Execution Chamber?

[retrocop]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/muslim-prisoners-execution-blocked-battle-right-imam-present-114323121.html


He didn't afford his 15 year old victim spritual guidance before he stabbed her to death I bet.

[spathiphyllum]

Yes.

"The central constitutional problem here is that the state has regularly placed a Christian cleric in the execution room to minister to the needs of Christian inmates, but has refused to provide the same benefit to a devout Muslim and all other non-Christians."

Double standards?

[spathiphyllum]

"He didn't afford his 15 year old victim spiritual guidance before he" committed a crime that lead him to the lethal injection, and i bet the Christians who did this also didn't consult the bible or Jesus. Yet they are allowed a christian cleric to pray.

[Calicogirl]

Yes either make it possible for people of any religion to have a religious advocate of their choice or remove the option of having a christian one only. with regard to it having to be a prison employee, i'm sure they could security screen and employ a Rabbi, Iman etc for the time they are required without all this drama.

[retrocop]

Are other clergy actually allowed inside the chamber or not. Looks like two varying positions the way I read it in the link?



//They said the state has a security interest in keeping non-prison employees out of the room during the procedure.



Robert Dunham, executive director, of the Death Penalty Information Centre which studies capital punishment in the US, says generally other states allow spiritual or religious advisers to accompany the inmate up to the execution chamber but not into it.

Instead the adviser can witness the execution, as do other people, from a designated area.

He did not know of any other states where the execution protocol calls for a Christian chaplain to be present in the execution chamber.

Ray was convicted in the fatal stabbing of a 15-year-old Tiffany Harville, who disappeared from her Selma home in July 1995.

Her decomposing body was found in a field a month later.

The state of Alabama said it would appeal the decision to stay the execution//

[spathiphyllum]

Simple (in my opinion).. employ a Muslim cleric or remove the christian one

[dannyk13]

Yes.

[Mamyalynne]

Yes, he should be allowed an Imam present.

[Calicogirl]

In most states religious advocates are not allowed inside the execution chamber but in Alabama christian ones are, that's the discrepancy, that on;y Christian advocates are allowed in, so either all religious advocates or none of them has to be the way to go.

[Rockrose]

Yes as if you were Christian you would be allowed a vicar with you

[retrocop]

The difference is,Maryalynne, by having the Iman present in the chamber alongside the victim or in the witness room.
The way I read the link one spokesman states there is no precedence for any state to have a priest inside the death chamber but witness only for security reasons. Someone else says a priest can or does enter the chamber right to the last breath as he is a employee of the system.

[Calicogirl]

Read my answer Retro, in other states it's not done but in Alabama you can have a Christian Cleric in the execution chamber.

[retrocop]

Thanks Calicogirl
That clears up my misunderstanding in the link.

[Peter Pedant]

I would say 'yes'
because they have plenty of imams around when they cut off the heads of all those christians - er in floopistan not Alabamee
but that is just me

[SparklyKid]

No. His victim died horribly, so should he.

[retrocop]

I could see a problem if Alabama still used the gas chamber.

[youngmafbog]

No - No religious 'guide' should be allowed in the room.

Do whatever mumbo jumbo they want for 5 mins on Death row before being moved into the the room.

Surely they are off to Hell to meet Lucifer anyway .

[andy-hughes]

SparklyKid - // No. His victim died horribly, so should he. //

How his victim dies is not the issue in law, and the emotional thrust of your point, valid though it is, would not be considered when debating the issue in legal terms.

It is an irony that the state murder system allows for religious comfort for one faith, but not another, and that is the fundamental issue on which the condemned man is hanging on to his life, and you would expect nothing else.

[Old_Geezer]

I'm going to stop going to yahoo websites. Just get oath demanding to spy on everything about you. Does that continual, taking you to other places where you can't refuse either, trick, too.

[Mamyalynne]

any better O_G?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47162710

[Old_Geezer]

Much, thanks.

Seems to me that, circumstances permitted, to be consistent and fair, if one lets one religion have their holy Joe present, then all religions should be allowed the same.

The act of the perpetrator should have no effect on authorities making the right decision.