John Mcdonnell - Hands-Up Anybody Who Fancies This Clown To Hold The Nation's Purse Strings?

[Deskdiary]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47233605

As a rule of thumb I don't have a great deal of time for Nicholas Soames, but I love this quote from him:

"I think my grandfather's reputation can withstand a publicity-seeking assault from a third-rate, Poundland Lenin. I don't think it will shake the world."

[10ClarionSt]

I wouldn't change anything in my post of 09.38.
Anti British? Crazy comment, TTT. Read ALL of my post.

[agchristie]

His comment is PITiful!

[10ClarionSt]

Chris38; you only think McDonnell's a nutter be cause he's saying the truth about Churchill. His political career was a huge failure. And then came WW2, which glossed over everything that had gone before. And even then he couldn't have done it without the Americans.
People think it's almost sacriligeous to speak the REAL truth about Churchill but are blinded by his premiership in WW2.

[ToraToraTora]

Grumpy, that was Turing's suggestion, pointless cracking the code if they know you've cracked it. I don't mean Coventry specifically but they had to evaluate all actions so as not to give away that we'd cracked the code. (see The imitation game) As I said above you have to make tough decisions in war on pragmatic grounds.

[dannyk13]

10cs, That is your opinion, to which you are entitled, but I would bet that it is at odds with the majority of people who can remember the years of WW 2.

[-Talbot-]

Chris38; you only think McDonnell's a nutter be cause he's saying the truth about Churchill.



Strange.
You think you know what another ABer is thinking?

[ToraToraTora]

10CS you rant on like a 17 year old that's been brainwashed by lefty teachers for 12 years.

[naomi24]

//Chris38; you only think McDonnell's a nutter be cause he's saying the truth about Churchill.//

That's not why I think he's a nutter. I think he's a nutter because he's a nutter.

agchristie, nice to see you. :o)

[jim360]

Even the greatest of us deserve criticism from time to time. Churchill is no exception to that. But he remains a great Briton, despite -- or perhaps even because of -- his many flaws.

Did you get a chance to see Daniel Finkelstein's opinion piece in The Times about Churchill, TTT?

[ToraToraTora]

No, I suppose it's another lefty dissection from a Liberal popinjay that uses the blanket of freedom provided by Churchill et al then criticises how that blanket was provided. Do you have a link?

[-Talbot-]

I thought he liked villians

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/11/10/1289406150485/Student-protests-A-demons-006.jpg?width=300&quality=85&auto=format&;fit=max&s=c2fddf9d756a0811beb99d32951778c4

[10ClarionSt]

It's the WW2 factor that's brainwashing people like TTT, who see only one thing. The man was a failure before and after. Why did his party oppose the introduction of the NHS in 1948? As for many who there during WW2, look at the result of the General Election in 1945. A landslide victory and mass rejection of Churchill and his politics, because people knew how useless he was unless there was a war on.

[agchristie]

Hi Naomi! Thank you!

[jim360]

Daniel Finkelstein is a Jewish Conservative politicians, so perhaps you shouldn't embarrass yourself by jumping to conclusions again, eh?

It's behind a paywall -- and the Times website currently seems a little broken for me -- but the point is that an article that starts off with the chillingly accurate point, "If it wasn’t for Sir Winston Churchill, I wouldn’t be alive." then goes on to explain how important it is to be honest about flaws, particularly the flaws of our heroes.

[ToraToraTora]

The war made up for any failings 10CS, we'd not have had the NHS etc if we'd lost would we? They'd not have been able to vote in 1945 if we'd lost would we?

[gulliver1]

It 's quite amazing how some posters on A/B can dish out the insults , yet run to ed when they recieve one in return.

[jno]

OMG, someone dares to criticise Saint Winston. Can't have people offering unorthodox opinions like that! Everyone fall into line to give him a good kicking.

[ToraToraTora]

You in this gully?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0368447/?ref_=nv_sr_1

[agchristie]

'Poundland Lenin'...

Well,if he was in charge of the nation's funds would he could offer himself up as a 'loss-leader'...

[gulliver1]

Churchill was a very good Brick Layer, Also a member of,
The Amalgamated Union of Bricklayers, yes a Con joining a Union. PMSL