'tommy Robinson' "not Well Known As He Thinks He Is ... " Shock-Horror!!!!

[andy-hughes]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6814371/Tommy-Robinson-LOSES-court-case-against-police.html?mrn_rm=rta-fallback


I am saying nothing at this stage - I think the report, and the result of the case, says it all.

[anotheoldgit]

Zacs-Master

/// Saying because there are rapists walking around is a really poor argument in defence of him. ///

Not a poor argument in the least, I presume you would rather have rapists walking the streets than our Tommy?

[Zacs-Master]

Stop putting ridiculous, non sensical words in my mouth, AOG. You’ve been told what a non sequitur is and this is a classic.

[anotheoldgit]

retrocop
/// I am taking an adjournment. Been on this OP too long this morning. My son will be here any minute and we are going to watch yesterday's rugby matches. Been fun debating with you. Back later. ///

Go easy on the water Retro and don't get mouthing off to your son, or you may get a knock on the door. :0)

[THECORBYLOON]

ANOTHEOLDGIT, you may refer to him as "our Tommy" but he's certainly not mines.

[dannyk13]

'our Tommy' in the context that he and AOG both belong to the far right school of thinking.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Here we go again: another Robinson thread with hundreds of posts.

There seem to be two justifications offered on this thread for the police action in removing Robinson and his children out of a Cambridge pub and, indeed, out of Cambridge.

One is that Robinson is "far right" and has "a hidden agenda" which is the kind of thing it's "worth seeing the police bend some rules to suppress". So, see Lennon, any place, any time...

This justification seems to a layman like me a rejection of the rule of law. However, AB's second greatest jurist has herself posted on this thread and may be willing to correct a possible misunderstanding on my part.

The other justification, and the one the police appear to have used ( and at least makes sense) is that Robinson as a convicted football hooligan (see above reference to his conviction in 2011) on a day out watching football in a pub would be likely[i to cause public disorder.

So, how likely you might ask? Well, without his kids, and with a group of mates who have been bevying all day, and are all getting lairy, you might answer highly likely. But being in the bar with two other guys with seven kids among them and (in Robinson's case) not drinking [i]and with the testimony of the landlady] you might think rather unlikely.

Now I think the people on here who hate Robinson would, if forced, probably agree with me on that point, but such is their pleasure in seeing the discomfort of Robinson that they don't actually care, do they? (Annoyingly, by the way, I can't find the judge's summary. It would be interesting to see her spin.)

PS: Robinson didn't come to public notice because he is a convicted football hooligan; he came to public notice for publicising some particularly heinous crimes. Pity the police didn't show the same determination and zeal in arresting the perpetrators as they have "suppressing" Robinson. Same point to Lennon haters here.

[Zacs-Master]

You’re right. I don’t care.

[sanmac]

VE, and excellent, well-written, and completely logical post. And, unlike many long posts, it is not a condescending diatribe.

[Spicerack]

Was a good post. Unfortunately some people will never get it.
They walk among us.

[Zacs-Master]

Never get what?

[Spicerack]

I could explain it for you, Zacs, but I can't understand it for you.

[THECORBYLOON]

VE, this isn't the summary but it may be of help. Scroll down and the blog gives details of what all was said.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/local-news/tommy-robinson-trial-live-updates-15977877.amp

There are several words or phrases in square brackets but it is not clear if it is the Judge or the reporter's version that has being corrected.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Thanks, Corbyloon.

[hereIam]

Ditto to sanmac and Spicerack, a very good post indeed.

[SparklyKid]

Excellent post VE. I am still not quite sure what a far right activist is ?

Whatever it is we certainly need more like our Tommy.

I would love to see Tommy on Question Time, the man is more than capable of holding his own in any conversation I have seen him in.

[SparklyKid]

Some seem to fear Tommy because he likes to tell the truth about how this country is spiralling into madness.

[sanmac]

"PS: Robinson didn't come to public notice because he is a convicted football hooligan; he came to public notice for publicising some particularly heinous crimes." A crucial and salient point, amongst many, In VE's post at 1532.

[Zacs-Master]

Spice rack. That’s a cop out.

[andy-hughes]

retrocop - // //Wow, I bet your ex-colleagues really appreciate that support!
Well seeing as you implied on an earlier OP I was a corrupt and racist cop I can tell you I take a fair,impartial unbigoted view. That was the way the Police operated in my day. //

I implied no such thing, and you are, again, assuming something that does not exist.

// As soon as I see a TR OP from you I can expect irrational foam specked spittle as you vent your spleen. //

A little dramatic in your imagery there, I am not 'venting' anything I assure you.

// Your bias shows no bounds and your opinions lose credibility. //

That's your opinion, it is not a fact, it is simply an opinion which obviously I would disagree with.

// You would swear on the bible that TR was an accomplice in the Bonfire Plot! //

It's actually the Gunpowder Plot, but don't let getting facts wrong impede your view, which again is incorrect - I would not swear on the Bible, I am an atheist.

[andy-hughes]

tambourine - // The moral of this TR debacle is:- Don't report molestation of young girls or the law will hound you out of this land! //

I thnk the moral actually is, don't make a career out of being an attention-seeking loudmouth, or you will get the attention - but it may not be the kind you would like.

Except here it is exactly what 'Tommy' likes - the chance to paint himself as the victim of a state conspiracy, forgetting of course that, as the judge has pointed out, he is simply not that important.