May’S Awful Deal Will Be Approved By Parliament On Friday

[Gromit]

In tonights votes, the Beckett Referendum2 option will get approved, because May has instructed Ministers to abstain.
She has scheduled her deal to be resubmitted for voting on Friday.
Faced with an option of a Referendum 2 or May’s deal, Johnson, Rees-Mogg and ERG will all vote through May’s terrible deal.

So May wins?

[Zacs-Master]

When you say 'wins'.......?

[MallyJ]

Couldn't organise a drink up in a brewery efficiently.....disgraceful

[ichkeria]

As far as I am aware no one “wins” this week. The top scores go through to next week’s final :-)
Some Brexiters will support May’s deal if May promises to go, no doubt in the hope of getting a more “Brexitty” PM to advance the trade negotiations. Rees Mogg says he’ll support it if the DUP does. Which looks less likely at the moment than them backing a motion in support of the IRA.
The ERG in any cases is not a bloc of single opinions.
My bet would be the Commin Market 2.0 Norway option myself.
Who knows.

[ichkeria]

So Theresa May will depart if her deal is passed: possibly by May. And the end of May would likely in that case occur before the end of May :-)
However the Speaker is still refusing the allow another vote on it unless it is “substantially different”.

[DTCwordfan]

It's not that bad a deal - le crunch is the trade deal that is then negotiated and this could be a lot rougher as the backstop will no doubt come back onto the table.

[Hopkirk]

There's a small problem called Bercow

[Togo]

Will the MPs see the light when they hear what Barmier has said and vote to ensure no deal? It was all a red herring! 2 years of lies from the EUSSR and their lapdog Irish Taoiseach Leo Varadka.

//The European Union’s Chief Negotiator Michel Barnier has today confirmed that there would not need to be a hard border on the island of Ireland after a No Deal Brexit. So why the hell does the British government want the UK to surrender to the hated backstop trap, paying £39 billion for the privilege? Barnier said this morning: “In the case of No Deal in all scenarios the Good Friday Agreement will continue to apply. The UK will remain a co-guarantor.
“There will be no hard border. We have to respect the Single Market but also out of respect for UK internal market there are going to have to be checks carried out somewhere.”//

https://www.westmonster.com/barnier-no-hard-border-after-no-deal-brexit1/

[ichkeria]

Watching some of this it’s notable how civilised the debate on all these options is.

[DTCwordfan]

ichk - has it all been engineered?

[Old_Geezer]

Were May's deal to get approved, everybody loses. Except the EU that is.

[vetuste_ennemi]

It is not a deal, it's a legally binding treaty for which we will be paying 38 billion (with legally binding commitments to pay yet more money for various programs - amount to be determined by EU auditors - in the two year "transition" period).

Once the backstop (which "nobody wants", ho, ho!) is applied, as it surely will be, there will be no legal way of escaping it.

[Togo]

Same source. Never thought that I could say this but...…...I'm with Bercow.

//Speaker John Bercow has today underlined a previous ruling that Theresa May’s EU deal must have substantially changed to qualify for a third vote in Parliament. Given it hasn’t changed, this could kill it off.
Speaking in Parliament earlier, Bercow said: “I understand that the government may be thinking about bringing Meaningful Vote 3 before the House either tomorrow or even on Friday if the House opts to sit that day.”
He then revealed that: “I wish to make clear that I do expect the government to meet the test of change. They should not seek to circumvent my ruling.”//

[ichkeria]

Why do you say “engineered” DTC?
I wouldn’t be surprised if MPs are making a big effort, now they have had to take things on, to show a better side of parliament.
No bad thing. The debate is no less real for that anyway.

[ichkeria]

Theresa May’s deal is as hard a Brexit as anyone is going to get I may say.

[Old_Geezer]

Which speaks volumes given that it just ties us in without a voice so isn't Brexit at all.

[Bigbad]

Now she’s bribing MP’s with “vote for the deal, and I’ll step down.”
Any MP that goes with that is a despicable self serving turncoat.

Donald Tusk has said “you cannot betray the 6 million people who signed the petition to revoke Article 50, the 1 million people who marched for a people’s vote, or the increasing majority who wants to remain in the European Union .”

He’s happy enough to betray the 17 million who voted for Brexit, though.

[Peter Pedant]

yeah the commentators said this
i dont regard Laura Kuenberg as intellectually more able than the average MP
BUT
some of the amendments passed and intended to screw her, may aid her

as in ' if you sit around with your hands in your pockets, no-deal may get froo and you dont want that so vote for ( the least worst option) that you previously slagged off'

[ichkeria]

She isn’t really “bribing” them. It was their idea: so it’s more like blackmail on their part. Because they think a more Brexit oriented PM will carry on the trade negotiations.
It’s the Leave equivalent of “we’ll vote for it if you hold a referendum”

[Peter Pedant]

a little levity to lighten this day

hey toag I may have to butt out of this discussion (pun no 1 intended).
I saw your piece ( pun no 2) and thought it read
"Spanking in Parliament earlier, Bercow said:...."
whey-hey any video available ? I'll certainly wqtch that with interest !

I blame the spanking thread from earlier on today .....

[Togo]

//Theresa May’s deal is as hard a Brexit as anyone is going to get I may say. //

For now?
It will not stop there. At the next GE the Brexit/UKIP parties will make huge gains on a promise to take us out properly. The Conservative Party will deservedly die and the North of England will desert Labour given a third choice at the polls. This is just the beginning. The rest of mainland Europe is as disenchanted with the EUSSR ponzi scheme as we are, as reflected in recent elections in Holland and Italy. We will need to keep up the pressure on the unaccountable politburo officials until we drive them out of public office and make them reveal the(so far) secret accounts. This is not the end, it is not even the beginning of the end, it is however the end of the beginning.

"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent."

Calvin Coolidge