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what's the latest on the British position? If/When they leave the EU I suppose they can carry on with daylight saving if they want but I don't know if they've taken a view on it yet.
If Britain went on to permanent summer time, would the term "Greenwich Mean Time" have any meaning? There was a big debate in the 19th century over where the prime meridian should be: Britain won, France lost. But if even Britain abandons GMT...
If Britain went on to permanent summer time, would the term "Greenwich Mean Time" have any meaning? There was a big debate in the 19th century over where the prime meridian should be: Britain won, France lost. But if even Britain abandons GMT...
The report says this:
"So why is the EU scrapping it? Well, firstly, because the move is extremely popular. A public consultation carried out in August 2018 drew over 4.6 million votes, the most ever received by the EU."
What it doesn't mention is that over 4m of those votes were from just three country, namely Germany, France and Austria. Germany alone polled almost three million votes Anyone recall being consulted here in the UK? Me neither.
As I said in another post a couple of days ago, here is a prime example of the EU meddling unnecessarily in individual nations' affairs. This measure effects every single person in the UK to a greater or lesser degree. But was it discussed in our Parliament? Apparently the UK's MEPs broadly supported the measure though why that should be - especially as it was voted down in Westminster in 2012 - is hard to fathom.
Apparently individual nations will be free to choose whether they remain permanently on summer or winter time but once they change they cannot reverse their decision. So it shouldn't worry us too much. Our Parliament will be singularly unable to decide. There will be a number of options discussed from GMT+2 through to GMT-2. There will also need to be a phased change of five minutes a year over twelve years and in 2025 (when it is twenty past something here when it's noon everywhere else) a Parliamentary Select Committee will be formed to review the progress.
"So why is the EU scrapping it? Well, firstly, because the move is extremely popular. A public consultation carried out in August 2018 drew over 4.6 million votes, the most ever received by the EU."
What it doesn't mention is that over 4m of those votes were from just three country, namely Germany, France and Austria. Germany alone polled almost three million votes Anyone recall being consulted here in the UK? Me neither.
As I said in another post a couple of days ago, here is a prime example of the EU meddling unnecessarily in individual nations' affairs. This measure effects every single person in the UK to a greater or lesser degree. But was it discussed in our Parliament? Apparently the UK's MEPs broadly supported the measure though why that should be - especially as it was voted down in Westminster in 2012 - is hard to fathom.
Apparently individual nations will be free to choose whether they remain permanently on summer or winter time but once they change they cannot reverse their decision. So it shouldn't worry us too much. Our Parliament will be singularly unable to decide. There will be a number of options discussed from GMT+2 through to GMT-2. There will also need to be a phased change of five minutes a year over twelve years and in 2025 (when it is twenty past something here when it's noon everywhere else) a Parliamentary Select Committee will be formed to review the progress.
NJ, the Mail report says differently: it claims that, whereas in the past everyone had to go onto DST, now they can choose to do so or not.
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It also says the EU vote isn't final, there will still be discussions with individual countries.
Which sounds like less EU meddling, not more. But it's possible the Mail is wrong.
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It also says the EU vote isn't final, there will still be discussions with individual countries.
Which sounds like less EU meddling, not more. But it's possible the Mail is wrong.
I've read two conflicting stories, jno and was as confused as you.
I initially believed it was "no more clock changing, choose whether yo want to be on summer or winter time". Then I read "you can choose whether to change or not". Finally I read again "no more clock changing".
At present clock changing is compulsory and the dates are also set and compulsory (the EU say to "avoid confusion"). I cannot imagine them relaxing their control so that "confusion" might reign. I'll make a few enquiries.
I initially believed it was "no more clock changing, choose whether yo want to be on summer or winter time". Then I read "you can choose whether to change or not". Finally I read again "no more clock changing".
At present clock changing is compulsory and the dates are also set and compulsory (the EU say to "avoid confusion"). I cannot imagine them relaxing their control so that "confusion" might reign. I'll make a few enquiries.
Meanwhile, if you thought a hard border in Ireland might be problematic -
I thought this was an early April Fool but no ...
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I thought this was an early April Fool but no ...
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And here it is from la bouche du cheval:
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//The final decision is now with the Council of the European Union and the European Parliament. They will have to come to an agreement before the proposal can take legal effect. On 26 March 2019, the European Parliament adopted its position on the Commission proposal, supporting a stop to the seasonal clock changes by 2021. The Council has not yet finalised its position.//
As a justification:
//The Commission has, therefore, analysed available evidence, which points to the importance of having harmonised rules in this area to ensure a proper functioning of the internal market.//
Right. So people operating in the "internal market" are not capable of finding out what time it is in a neighbouring country. I wonder how they get on when they deal with countries that don't subscribe to their edicts?
There has been no discussion at a national level about this proposal and it is a measure which the UK Parliament rejected seven years ago and it seems the UK is quite happy to abrogate its responsibilities to an unelected foreign power in this matter.
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//The final decision is now with the Council of the European Union and the European Parliament. They will have to come to an agreement before the proposal can take legal effect. On 26 March 2019, the European Parliament adopted its position on the Commission proposal, supporting a stop to the seasonal clock changes by 2021. The Council has not yet finalised its position.//
As a justification:
//The Commission has, therefore, analysed available evidence, which points to the importance of having harmonised rules in this area to ensure a proper functioning of the internal market.//
Right. So people operating in the "internal market" are not capable of finding out what time it is in a neighbouring country. I wonder how they get on when they deal with countries that don't subscribe to their edicts?
There has been no discussion at a national level about this proposal and it is a measure which the UK Parliament rejected seven years ago and it seems the UK is quite happy to abrogate its responsibilities to an unelected foreign power in this matter.
phooey to that, Dad, you may think it's 8.27 but I say it's 7.35 and I've got plenty of time to get ready for school.
Ichkeria, people in Australia or the USA manage to change time zones (not always by a full hour) when travelling across country. Within Arizona, Navajo reservations differ from the rest of the state. Russian railway clocks all operate on Moscow time. Nepal's 15 minutes different from India. People seem to cope, though I don't know why they go to all the trouble.
Ichkeria, people in Australia or the USA manage to change time zones (not always by a full hour) when travelling across country. Within Arizona, Navajo reservations differ from the rest of the state. Russian railway clocks all operate on Moscow time. Nepal's 15 minutes different from India. People seem to cope, though I don't know why they go to all the trouble.
The internet survey ran from the beginning of July till the middle of August 2018 for all 28 member countries. In Germany, France and Austria it was widely publicised and discussed (TV and social media), in other countries obviously not so much or not at all. That is why most votes came from these countries. Voters and media in other countries seemingly couldn't be bothered or weren't sufficiently informed.
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