Another Waste Of Time....

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics
Can we just get out with no deal now?

[pixie374]

We've done all that, Jim. If the default is No deal, then that is what we need to do. The sooner the better.

[jim360]

Any deal that sees us outside the EU, legally at least, satisfies the question on the 2016 referendum. Maybe if it had been asked with more detail it would have left much less room for this sort of interpretation anyway.

In the long run you aren't going to get No Deal unless you very specifically vote for exactly that version of Brexit, or vote for MPs who wish to deliver it. Neither of these has happened, or, probably, will happen, because No Deal is in the first place not even an end result of anything, and secondly going to be a complete disaster.

[jim360]

Sure, Pixie -- except that nobody who matters really wants it.

Right now your best chance of getting No Deal is if the EU gives up waiting for the UK to make up its mind, and probably not even then.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Truth: junked.
Free speech: junked.
Integrity: junked.
The principle of resolving contentious issues peacefully through the ballot box: junked.

[pixie374]

How did you work out the "Remaining" option as satisfying the referendum?

[ToraToraTora]

jim "If, tomorrow, Theresa May comes out in favour of No Deal, it *still* wouldn't happen. She would need Parliamentary permission, almost certainly, and they will not give it. " - err no it's the default, no permission needed they need a concrete alternative, one that the EU also back. Surprised you struggle to grasp this jim.

[naomi24]

Jim, spin it in any way you like but you're fooling no one. Any deal that ties us to the EU does not satisfy the 2016 referendum result. That result was Leave.

[pixie374]

"Nobody who matters..." other than the public. Jim, if your ego inflates any further, it might actually explode.

[Togo]

//I've answered the question about what should be on a possible future referendum, or future series of referendums, before.//

Haha......the lifeblood of the Remainiacs a future with a never ending cycle of nevereferendums diddums, only this time ve are asking ze kvestions. Like have you stopped beating your wife yet? Will you come quietly or must we drag you to prison?

[jim360]

Remaining clearly doesn't satisfy the 2016 referendum, and I am not sure why anyone thought I'd implied this. But it may be the only plausible way forward, as long as the people vote for it in a second referendum.

I'll answer TTT in a second, but I'm confident that I grasp the situation well enough, thanks.

[naomi24]

//nobody who matters really wants it. //

There's^ your answer folks. Makes you proud to be part of this great democratic nation ... dunnit.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Yes, "nobody who matters" says it all, doesnt it?

And as for "waiting for the UK to make up its mind": the "UK" already has.

[pixie374]

There is no point in having a second referendum when the first hasn't been honoured yet. Nobody with any sense would trust it or bother to vote. A second one in 15 years, maybe. But this needs completing first

[jim360]

Pixie -- "nobody who matters" clearly refers to the people in power -- ie, in Parliament -- and not to myself. Pretty sad that you should think that I meant that only I matter, which is manifestly not true. Quite the opposite, of course. Nothing I say or do about Brexit will matter, but that won't stop me discussing it any more than anyone else on this site.

"Nobody who matters" is itself an exaggeration, but it's enough to note that the supporters for No Deal in Parliament are by far the minority in order to see that the point still stands. As long as Parliament and the EU Council have any say in the matter, they will work as hard as they can to prevent No Deal.

[Togo]

//except that nobody who matters really wants it//

Read that and know the mindset of the morosophic Remainiacs. Those who want it don't matter....the electorate don't matter......democracy doesn't matter.

[tonyav]

Ah but pixie it wasn't the correct result with the first referendum was it.

[pixie374]

I have seen your views on enough different threads now to see that anything you don't personally like gets "reinterpreted" and words get "redefined" until they suit you.
Democracy, integrity, trust, honesty... they matter in the UK.

[pixie374]

No, Tony... we need to reeducate the thickos before the next one:-)

[agchristie]

//Democracy, integrity, trust, honesty... they matter in the UK.//

Onceover perhaps...

[naomi24]

//Democracy, integrity, trust, honesty... they matter in the UK. //

Only to those who don't matter, pixie.