Looks Like I Was Right All Along.....

[ToraToraTora]

here is a question I posted on the night of the referendum when I thought we would lose:
https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1498693.html
Little did I know our gutless treacherous politicians would simply ignore the result. treason May prefers to deal with the terrorists friend agent COB to thwart democracy than her own cabinet. remoaners, enjoy your vassalage, you've earn't it.

[Kromovaracun]

"The details need to be resolved of course"

Yeah no kidding...

[anotheoldgit]

Our useless PM has spent nearly 3 years trying to do a deal with the EU, what chance has she of coming to a deal with her UK opposition leader?
The only thing that Corbyn will accept, will contain the right of free movement across our borders.

And we don't want that because that was one of the main reasons why most Brexits chose to vote leave?

[Kromovaracun]

Well people on here keep saying it wasn't to do with that at all, AOG.

[anotheoldgit]

Hopkirk
/// If we choose to leave with no deal, it's a bit much to just say it is their problem. ///

Why do you say that? Because it is their problem, if they insist on a closed border let them implement it.

[anotheoldgit]

Kromovaracun
/// Well people on here keep saying it wasn't to do with that at all, AOG. ///

And who may they be? I admit that some may be a little timid in case they are labelled Racist, but when it comes to demise of our infrastructure who should be scared of a little name calling?

[Kromovaracun]

I don't recall exactly now, but among the umpteen threads about Brexit there has been lots of offense taken at the suggestion that most Brexiters voted Leave because of free movement.

Re: Ireland, it surelg is not 'their problem' when it is our border too and has a direct effect on us.

[anotheoldgit]

Kromovaracun

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-latest-news-leave-eu-immigration-main-reason-european-union-survey-a7811651.html

/// Nearly three-quarters (73 per cent) of those who are worried about immigration voted Leave, compared with 36 per cent of those who did not identify this as a concern, the research found, showing the discrepancy in views about immigration between Remain and Leave voters. ///

[dannyk13]

Another thing Corbyn insists on is a customs union which is the worst thing as it will prevent us trading with other countries unless the EU gives its approval.

[jno]

dannyk, as I think I read the other day (I'm open to correction on this), Germany does three times as much trade with China as the UK does - despite also being in the EU.

It's possible the EU "restrictions" on trade aren't the problem but rather an easy excuse for those who can't be bothered to seek out trade opportunities. If that's the case, Brexit won't make any difference.

[dannyk13]

jno, the fact is that the EU controls who its members do trade with.

[New Judge]

//Just a wee bit bitter ? :+(//

I think all Leavers are entitled to be a wee bit bitter as would Remainers be had the vote gone the other way and we ended up leaving.

//Re: Ireland, it surelg is not 'their problem' when it is our border too and has a direct effect on us."//

It may be our problem to deal with any outcome but implementation is certainly not our problem. The UK has no intention of implementing a border in Ireland (mind you, nor has anybody else, making the entire issue a red herring). Any restrictions would only be from north to south and the UK could play no part in devising those. Vast amounts of goods enter the EU from elsewhere every day without being physically checked

//I thought it was obvious that Brexit-lite would be more likely if it were fifty fifty.//

But it wasn’t fifty-fifty. Leave won by more than a million votes. In any case, as I keep asking, how “Lite” would remaining have been had the result gone the other way by the same margin?

Good luck to the Remainers when they eventually get their way (either by our remaining entirely or leaving in name only). If they believe that things will continue as they are they can think again. The EU has grandiose plans for a European State and it will control trade, taxes, currency, fiscal policy, foreign policy and much more besides. And little – if any - of that control will be exercised with the UK’s best interests in mind. Furthermore, if they believe the UK’s “opt outs” of the euro and Schengen will prevail they should also think again. They will be swiftly swept away at the first available opportunity. Leavers did their bit by voting to get us out of the morass that is the EU. If Remainers believe remaining will “heal the split in the country” they have another think coming.

[New Judge]

"It's possible the EU "restrictions" on trade aren't the problem but rather an easy excuse for those who can't be bothered to seek out trade opportunities."

You need to read about and understand what the Customs Union means, jno, to realise that statement is nonsense.

[jim360]

// Furthermore, if they believe the UK’s “opt outs” of the euro and Schengen will prevail they should also think again. They will be swiftly swept away at the first available opportunity. //

Nice try with the Project Fear, lol.

[Old_Geezer]

It absolutely is an EU problem as they are the ones insisting it has to be closed unless someone comes up with a solution for monitoring for them, as they haven't a clue themselves. They've been shown a solution but decided it was in their interest to reject it, thus putting the ball in their court (not that it wasn't already there). Of course everyone has to cope with whatever the end result is, but the end result is in EU hands (as long as they can control the actions of the RoI that is). So, not 'a bit much' in the slightest.

[Kromovaracun]

It doesn't really matter what we 'intend' though. If the UK and Ireland become two different customs regimes, then there will need to be customs barriers or else those regimes will be completely meaningless.

[Old_Geezer]

Not if the system follows the goods. Anything can be checked/recorded either end.

Smuggling is always an issue, border checks or no border checks, everywhere. Countries just have to deal with it as is already done everywhere else.

[New Judge]

"If the UK and Ireland become two different customs regimes, then there will need to be customs barriers or else those regimes will be completely meaningless."

There are different customs regimes between the EU (UK) and the rest of the world. But there are few "barriers" for the vast majority of goods that arrive into the EU from elsewhere. And the volume of those goods far outstrips the puny amount that crosses the Irish border.

[Kromovaracun]

Right. That border is particularly complicated one, though (it has about 300 crossings) and there's not an obvious tech solution that I'm aware of.

[Kromovaracun]

Are we really suggesting that absolutely nothing is going to happen on the Irish border if no-deal happens? That seems unrealistic.

[Kromovaracun]

//There are different customs regimes between the EU (UK) and the rest of the world. But there are few "barriers" for the vast majority of goods that arrive into the EU from elsewhere. And the volume of those goods far outstrips the puny amount that crosses the Irish border.//

I can't find any information on this (do point me in the right direction if you have time). But the EU has plenty of bilateral agreements with major trade partners that presumably subvert the need to do this. A no-deal scenario kind of by definition means we don't have any such arrangement.