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The EU appears to be settling for no deal:
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"But ultimately it is the EU which decides whether to grant an extension. European Commission Vice-President Jyrki Katainen said a no-deal Brexit was "highly likely" despite Parliament proceeding with legislation to prevent it." - I will be eternally grateful to the EU if they do not allow further dithering.
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"But ultimately it is the EU which decides whether to grant an extension. European Commission Vice-President Jyrki Katainen said a no-deal Brexit was "highly likely" despite Parliament proceeding with legislation to prevent it." - I will be eternally grateful to the EU if they do not allow further dithering.
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Haha I find it similarly "ironic" that the Remainiacs were banking on the EUSSR stymying Brexit for them by being intransigent and are now looking at the prospect of the very same EUSSR dashing their plans due to their own silly games. Hi Ronnie. :))
13:57 Thu 04th Apr 2019
yeah but's complete bowlocks danny, you can't legislate against the default, you have to put something in it's way. Simply declaring the cliff edge illegal will not stop you falling over it. Anyway if the EU do not grant and extension then we either have no deal or no brexit, both of which are better than the "deals" being discussed.
Suggesting that the threat of waking away from negotiations was a lever with the EU always struck me as bizarre. It’s not and never has been that sort of negotiation: we aren’t “Buying our Brexit” from one of a number of suppliers. We are basically heading out the door one way or another and there is only one door.
It’s like suggesting that the threat of jumping out of the plane without one is going to give us a better deal with the pilot on parachutes..
It’s like suggesting that the threat of jumping out of the plane without one is going to give us a better deal with the pilot on parachutes..
Yes, I noticed that poll, pixie. I'm surprised because it's definitely the first in a while that has seen No Deal have such a lead, and disappointed because -- obviously -- I fundamentally reject the idea that "No Deal" can be anything other than a complete disaster. It doesn't even end anything, anyway. At best it's a small interruption in the natural process of coming to an arrangement with the EU.
Yes I don’t think yesterday’s law makes leaving with no deal “illegal” as such but it makes it illegal for the PM not to ask for an extension beyond April 12.
What is the good old English Democrats managed to persuade a judge that we actually left the EU last week. Then there’ll be mass confiscations of pork pies and cheddar cheese from Brits abroad etc etc :-)
What is the good old English Democrats managed to persuade a judge that we actually left the EU last week. Then there’ll be mass confiscations of pork pies and cheddar cheese from Brits abroad etc etc :-)
//In that marathon cabinet meeting yesterday there was a lengthy presentation regarding the no-deal scenario and the report from the highest ranking civil servant did not make good reading.
He would know,wouldn't he?//
No he wouldn’t, Aggy, for the simple reason that nobody does. Couple that to the fact that despite its alleged independence, the Civil Service is ardently, almost to the point of mania, in favour of Remaining and you must take such information with a large dose of salt.
//3T - why is he still in post then?!//
Because he was appointed by a government who are similarly inclined and any dire predictions he can conjure up are grist to their mill.
Business thrives despite all interferences. Regardless of the forecasts that the world will come to an end as a result of No Deal it will not. There may be short term inconveniences caused by political dogma but business will adapt and thrive. It always does. I have suggested that a “Deal” amounts to permission to leave (without too much trouble). I would go further than that – I believe it is applying duress to the UK to agree to terms which to nobody in their right mind would acquiesce "in order to avoid any bovver we might cause for you". Any deal concocted by the EU will be to the EU’s advantage and the UK’s disadvantage. It will be designed to prevent the UK from competing in world markets on more favourable terms than EU member states can. That’s the whole point of the Customs Union (and a principle reason why Brexit is so necessary). But all we are doing here is regurgitating the arguments made prior to the referendum because it was made quite clear to everybody what leaving would mean.
///ZM,//What's happened to the cross party group trying to make a no-deal illegal? //
It was passed by one vote in the commons and is now with the Lords for debate later today.///
The vote passed yesterday does not make No Deal illegal, per se. It forces the Prime Minister to ask the EU for an extension to A50. If the extension is not granted we either leave with No Deal (because nothing else is on offer unless the PM’s appalling agreement succeeds at a fourth airing) or we must revoke A50. The EU knows this (which may help ikky understand why threatening to walk away is by no means “bizarre”and should always have been an option) and I know where my money is.
He would know,wouldn't he?//
No he wouldn’t, Aggy, for the simple reason that nobody does. Couple that to the fact that despite its alleged independence, the Civil Service is ardently, almost to the point of mania, in favour of Remaining and you must take such information with a large dose of salt.
//3T - why is he still in post then?!//
Because he was appointed by a government who are similarly inclined and any dire predictions he can conjure up are grist to their mill.
Business thrives despite all interferences. Regardless of the forecasts that the world will come to an end as a result of No Deal it will not. There may be short term inconveniences caused by political dogma but business will adapt and thrive. It always does. I have suggested that a “Deal” amounts to permission to leave (without too much trouble). I would go further than that – I believe it is applying duress to the UK to agree to terms which to nobody in their right mind would acquiesce "in order to avoid any bovver we might cause for you". Any deal concocted by the EU will be to the EU’s advantage and the UK’s disadvantage. It will be designed to prevent the UK from competing in world markets on more favourable terms than EU member states can. That’s the whole point of the Customs Union (and a principle reason why Brexit is so necessary). But all we are doing here is regurgitating the arguments made prior to the referendum because it was made quite clear to everybody what leaving would mean.
///ZM,//What's happened to the cross party group trying to make a no-deal illegal? //
It was passed by one vote in the commons and is now with the Lords for debate later today.///
The vote passed yesterday does not make No Deal illegal, per se. It forces the Prime Minister to ask the EU for an extension to A50. If the extension is not granted we either leave with No Deal (because nothing else is on offer unless the PM’s appalling agreement succeeds at a fourth airing) or we must revoke A50. The EU knows this (which may help ikky understand why threatening to walk away is by no means “bizarre”and should always have been an option) and I know where my money is.
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