Alabama Passes Bill Banning Abortion

[spathiphyllum]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48275795

How awful.

[jackthehat]

Tsk...tsk....Togo.

You really should credit Breitbart with your cut and paste, otherwise people might think it is you who is responsible for those inane ramblings.

[jim360]

You are on the wrong side of history on this one, Togo. I'd quit while you were behind.

Abortions didn't suddenly start when they became legal. All that happened is they became safe*. That is clearly something advocates of these laws either do not understand, or do not care about.

*or at least infinitely safer.

[Calicogirl]

I live in Georgia Togo, and I'm not using any 'excuse' to justify a woman's right to choose if she carries a baby or not, it is her right to decide not to.
For myself abortion would never be right, but for other women for varying reasons it's a necessity and I will happily fight for their rights.

You are frankly talking dung Togo to further your own emotive inflammatory agenda- see here which might explain things a little for you. Is THAT clear enough?
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/05/hb481-georgia-abortion-ban-criminal-brian-kemp-horrific.html

[pixie374]

Togo, many people don't even know they are pregnant that early. And why the sudden obsession with a detectable heartbeat? It can't work on it's own, it is reliant on the mother's. We know all organs develop during that time. Whether to feel guilty about a life which has no consciousness is one debate... but honestly, I would not be prepared to have an embryo forcibly implanted, carry it to full-term, give birth to it and look after it for the rest of my life right now. Would you?

[ummmm]

I'm pro choice and I think this bill is horrendous.

People make mistakes, contraception sometimes fails, I think it's cruel to expect a woman to go through pregnancy and childbirth and either have the responsibility for life or have to give her baby away.

My daughter is nearly 27 and she still relies on us, not financially. but emotionally, it's a complete commitment and some people just aren't ready for it.

[Togo]

// I'm not using any 'excuse' to justify a woman's right to choose if she carries a baby or not, it is her right to decide not to. //

Now that is getting much closer to the "real" issue(or even non issue)
Women are convinced that they "have the right" to terminate a pregnancy for whatever reason. Fair enough. Do you think therefor that another person has the right to decide whether you are allowed to get pregnant, whether carelessly or as a means of exerting emotional pressure or to secure financial advantage? Think hard and long on that one.

[pixie374]

Nobody else has that right, Togo. Why are you asking even? Why would you have more say over my body than I do?

[Calicogirl]

//Do you think therefor that another person has the right to decide whether you are allowed to get pregnant, whether carelessly or as a means of exerting emotional pressure or to secure financial advantage? //

No, no-one has a right to decide the procreative activities of another woman. I am amazde you even feel the need / right to ask.

[Togo]

Pixie, Pixie.....the vast majority, and I mean vast, are not"forcibly implanted". The rape scenario is nothing more than a false trail. All victims of rape are considered to be candidates for legal termination. The law is being defined to make the practitioners of illegal abortion subject to stringent punishment.

[Togo]

//Nobody else has that right, Togo. Why are you asking even?//

I know Pixie......but it is the next logical step on the Liberal tabula board of social control.

[pixie374]

Even if it is, an unwanted pregnancy is not "chosen" and not therefore a "choice". To force someone to continue anyway... is still forced. I really don't understand what point you are trying to make still. Are you suggesting a foetus is an independent person when it has a heartbeat? That once a woman is pregnant, she is obliged to carry on (and the father obliged to live with them for 18 years, I presume...)? Or that you agree with certain reasons, but not others?
...?

[pixie374]

No, laws generally have very clear lines for that reason. There is no logical "next step". Deciding people have autonomy over their own bodies, can only be a good thing, no?

[jim360]

Togo doesn't have a point, pixie, except to troll.

[pixie374]

I genuinely am confused by his posts here, Jim. I may well be getting the wrong end of the stick, but honestly can't make sense of them tonight x

[Calicogirl]

He isn't making any sense. He's stridently anti abortion for any reason and implying that if abortions are okay with us 'Libtards' as he so touchingly calls us, then we ought to be forcibly sterilised and not object. Weird.

[pixie374]

Is that what it is? I genuinely can't tell... if a woman is forced to continue with a pregnancy... whose responsibility would it be, out of interest, if she died... needed a caesarean, needed stitches, got postnatal depression, had to stop work, etc etc... the father's or the state?

[pixie374]

Could the state or the father end up being sued for gbh, abh, manslaughter... etc?

[david small]

Necessity recognises No Law. The choice should be the woman’s Not the legislators.

[Calicogirl]

Oh hers Pixie, absolutely undoubtedly her. In Togoland it's always the woman that has to carry the can didn't you notice?

[pixie374]

I hadn't, cal... I assumed I just wasn't getting the point.