....and The Final Betrayal Arrives From Treason.....

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48357017
So the HOQ will reject the deal, they'll agree to another vote which means they'll have to withdraw A50 and wallop we are shackled to the EUSSR forever. I just wich they'd been honest from the start. You can have the referendum but we'll only accept remain. What a shower of treacherous quislings.

[jim360]

Oh, and another thing: quite aside from the fact that VBQ as an acronym is disgusting and childish, there's nothing at all to be happy about from any of this. Even if we remain in the EU after all the damage will have been done.

[ToraToraTora]

you may think that jim but it gets ever more accurate by the day. From now on the HOC will be known as the HOQ by many and deservedly so. They were given a simple task in June 2016 and have obfuscated their way around not doing it ever since because they think their private views outweigh those of the electorate.

[jim360]

The idea that Parliament is in any sense united in trying to stop Brexit is fanciful. The reason Brexit hasn't happened is because there's no consensus over pretty much anything.

[jim360]

And that lack of consensus really ought to show up how nonsensical it is, too, to regard anything about Brexit as "simple".

[naomi24]

Jim, do us - and yourself - a favour. Stop speaking to anyone who disagrees with you as though they're stupid. The chances are they know as much about it, and possibly more, than you do. Your continual Jim Speak has had repercussions on you and is now past its sell by date.

[ToraToraTora]

"there's no consensus over pretty much anything. " - it's been stated many times that 75% are remainers, that, I would venture constitutes a consensus.

[gulliver1]

Jim may get a lot of flack on here , but one thing he can do , is wind Naomi up.

[ichkeria]

Put the deal which Parliament keeps rejecting to the people. Let the electorate have the final say on what parliament cannot decide. That seems to me to be the obvious way out and maybe just maybe when the current PM, who has repeatedly said she’d not do that (which is a respectable position, to be kind) has departed the scene, her successor will feel able to proceed accordingly.

[-Talbot-]

ichkeria
Put the deal which Parliament keeps rejecting to the people.



Deal rejected by Parliament V no deal?

[ichkeria]

Considering some of the “enlightened” comments on here - House of Quislings (btw he was Norwegian wasn’t he: is this the Norway option?) and (my personal favourite) “What a cow” it seems a bit rich to turn on someone really because they don’t agree with you.
Civilised debate folks. We could give it a go:-)

[THECORBYLOON]

"From now on the HOC will be known as the HOQ by many and deservedly so" in your own house mebbes.

[naomi24]

Gulliver, you're mistaken. Jim's nonsense harms him more than it fazes me.

[youngmafbog]

Hardly a surprise.

Tories are finished. Forever is my guess, but it wont matter because the EUSSR(aka Germany) will be our rulers.

May will certainly go down in the history books.

[jim360]

I don't speak to people here as if they're stupid. But if they say things that deserve condemnation for their nonsense then I'll call it out as I see it. As will anyone else on AB.

As to the repercussions: as far as I can see I've lost the respect of two or three anonymous people on the internet who I don't know personally and am never likely to. If that's all the repercussion I get for putting my view forward honestly and forthrightly then it's been well worth it.

[youngmafbog]

"I don't speak to people here as if they're stupid"

You obviously dont realise it but you do use a condescending and aloof tone every time someone doesnt agree with you liberal view

[jim360]

// 75% [of Parliament] are remainers, that, I would venture constitutes a consensus. //

MPs may be mostly Remainers but that still doesn't mean they agree on anything. Even if you only split between the Remainers who wouldn't vote for Brexit to save their life, and the Remainers who just want to see Brexit, in any form, done, then it still ruins the idea that there's any form of consensus. I should have thought this was pretty well-illustrated during the two rounds of indicative votes, when every single proposed path forward was rejected.

[jim360]

I'm actually not nearly as liberal as you think I am, at least if various of my super-Liberal friends (or friends of friends) are anything to go by. But in any case, if my tone slips from time to time I apologise: it's not intentional. It's a subject we're all passionate about and it's bound to guide our posts. But to be honest as long as TTT uses VBQ all the time, and Naomi goes on about "Jim Speak" when she means "English", then I'm not sure I've got much to apologise about. As far as I'm concerned I'm just giving as good as I'm getting.

[jim360]

Oh, and one last thing: Keep your opinions about me to yourself, Naomi. You've already made them amply clear, and I am aware of them, thank you.

[naomi24]

Jim, //Naomi goes on about "Jim Speak" when she means "English"//

If I meant ‘English’ I’d say English, but I don’t mean English, I mean Jim Speak’ which is why I said that. ‘Democracy’ doesn’t mean what we think it means, ‘courageous’ aka ‘lies’, imaginative, aka ‘lies’….. and more. If you don’t want to be criticised stop treating intelligent people as fools. We know what we voted for and we know what’s possible.