With The Terrible European Results Coming In For Labour I Wonder If Jeremy Corbyn Is Enjoying His Birthday

[gollob]

Surely his time will be up soon

[Ken4155]

Do you not think he would have been expecting these results? Labour's stance on Europe is about as clear as mud. Only 2 winners; Brexit Party and the Lib Dems - both of whom are perfectly clear where they stand..

[Jackdaw33]

The Tories are doing no better but all this was predicted. This is Brexit's night and the HoC would do well to listen.

[david small]

Ye Gods people are still voting for the Lib Dems who are blatantly un democratic and openly renege on their own manifesto. Will we never learn?

[Jackdaw33]

I think it is more simple than that. If you are Leave you vote Brexit and if Remain you vote LibDem, as these are the only two parties who are clear as to where they stand.

[JimF]

The Labour Party has no-one to blame but itself. It elected a leader so inappropriate for the current political climate it's difficult to comprehend. He'd no doubt have been a great member of Clement Attlee's great reforming administration of 1945, but that's a whole lifetime ago in a totally different world.

[gollob]

In the end the Atlee government collapsed due to it could not run the economy which has caused the failure of every Socialist government starting with Ramsay MacDonald to Gordon Brown

[vetuste_ennemi]

Clement Attlee ("A modest man with much to be modest about") was a patriot.

So please don't compare him with a British politician who, as one acute observer commented, "thought the wrong side had won the Cold War".

[jim360]

Could have been worse. Some crumbs of comfort amongst the inevitable Brexit Party tsunami.

[cassa333]

But Emily Thornbury has said they have to be clear.

That their policy is another referendum.

[Bigbad]

So does Stephen Kinnock, cassa.

Emily Thornbury certainly had her head in the sand.
She seems to think Labour lost votes to every party except Brexit.
She obviously can’t cope with the idea of Labour voters voting Brexit.

And according to some Lib Dem bloke, if you add up all the votes for them and the other parties, it shows the country wants to remain.

[EDDIE51]

The average 'Turnout' for EU elections is under 30% !!!
The results have VERY LITTLE if any, correlation with UK Parlimentary Elections!!
In a large survey less than 5% of the population even knew who their 'Euro MP' was !!. I don't have a clue who mine is !!

[jim360]

Stop hogging all the exclamation marks.

Also turnout was nearly 40%, not "less than 30%", this time out.

[vetuste_ennemi]

The simple math is that 35% of the voters (summing the Brexit and rump UKIP vote) voted for a "No Deal" (i.e. WTO) Brexit. And a similar percentage summing Lib Dems, Greens, CHUK etc voted for remaining in the EU.

So the "remaining" (oops) question is how remain and leave voters are distributed among the rump of the two main parties. And how these floating voters would decide the result of a second referendum. Depending, of course, on the choices made availabe on the ballot paper.

My only certainty is that, whatever the question, if the lumpenprolateriat got it wrong a second time, then all the hypocrites advocating a "People's vote" as a "confirmatory vote" and the "only way out"
would set about subverting the "wrong" decision for a second time.

The same arguments and rationalisations and the same repetitions of (demonstrably) false prophesy. The same arrogant pretensions. The same conviction that my degree in physics, or my role as Lavinia in Winchester Theatre means that my vote is worth two of yours.

And, of course: we demand[ a recount.

[tonyav]

Avatar Image cassa333 But Emily Thornbury has said they have to be clear.

That their policy is another referendum.


So does Tom Watson.

Deputy Labour leader Tom Watson said the party must "find some backbone" and fully commit to a second referendum on Brexit to have any chance of winning the next general election.


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/european-elections-2019-nigel-farage-looks-ready-to-win-big/ar-AABWTsX?li=BBoPWjQ

[-Talbot-]

I've come to the conclusion that every remainer is mental.

[vetuste_ennemi]

I prefer the word "servile", Talbot.

[jim360]

It's difficult to say how true the Lib Dem claim is, Bigbad, but what I would certainly say is that the Brexit Party has mostly picked up UKIP and disgruntled Tory voters, and at least compared to those two groups they are getting relatively few (but clearly not none!) from Labour. I also guess I find it surprising that there may still be some passionate Leave voters out there who didn't give their vote to Farage, but presumably they do exist; party loyalty still counts for a lot for some voters.

John Curtice right now is claiming that, in terms of Remain v. Leave, it's something of a score draw. If you assume that the remaining Labour and Tory vote is more-or-less split 50/50 between remain and Leave, then the numbers from Thursday do tend to support that.

Fact is, the country remains painfully divided. Worse fact is, those divisions are even more pronounced.

[Spicerack]

You certainly can't say Greens are all Remainers. Half of them think we've got 11 years left to live.

[jim360]

// The same conviction that my degree in physics, or my role as Lavinia in Winchester Theatre means that my vote is worth two of yours. //

Oh, naff off. I don't know anyone on this site with a degree in physics who holds that conviction.

[JimF]

"Fact is, the country remains painfully divided. Worse fact is, those divisions are even more pronounced."

Indeed, and Curtice's comment that there is nobody in the current political landscape with anything like the polarising abilities of Thatcher, Blair or Churchill is absolutely right.

Certainly not Farage...