Science Explains Lots Of Things.....

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-48534079
So why is Widdy in the tish here?

[Old_Geezer]

I understand that it's because she spoke an unpopular factual statement.

[spathiphyllum]

Gay therapy.... *** me. What idiot thinks it's OK to mention such a thing in such a time of age?

[spathiphyllum]

Does homosexuality not make sense to some for them to need an "answer" from science???

Pffft.

[Old_Geezer]

It was about understanding causes and possible expansion of personal choices when enough is known.

[spathiphyllum]

LOL... well why are men attracted to women? So they can have a baby with them? I think not. Which is the only scientific thing to recognise.. being evolution.

[Old_Geezer]

So they can go through the baby making activity, yes.
Evolution tends to make it so by honing the characteristics of the opposite sex to be the general desire of the first sex.

[spathiphyllum]

Yes, i agree OG.

But it should be noted that humans are developing to a stage where we're almost deciding our own evolution from here.

[jim360]

She was talking in the context of previous comments over gay conversion therapy. At the very least, saying that "science may produce an answer" is a very poor choice of words with that background.

[spathiphyllum]

Jim what are your thoughts on gay conversion therapy and explaining gayness with science?

[jim360]

Gay conversion therapy = pseudo-scientific/puritanical religion BS.

Understanding homosexuality and its (genetic/psychological/hormonal, etc) roots scientifically: not impossible, but a long way off yet.

[spathiphyllum]

Nice.


I personally don't see why we need to understand. I'm sure homosexuals understand very well why they feel as they do.

[naomi24]

First of all I’m fed up with people being castigated for airing opinions that are contrary to the demands of the politically correct. Secondly, Ann Widdecombe is a practising Roman Catholic and like a lot of religious people clearly believes that homosexuality is a curable 'condition'. We have friends who are devout Baptists and, like Ann, they do not regard homosexuality as ‘natural’. Terrified that their gay son will go to hell, they pray constantly that some day a ‘cure’ will be found. Who knows? Maybe it will. I very much doubt we know all there is to know.

(I don't know if anyone else (possibly Mibs, Nailit and Theland?) will remember an ABer from years ago - a Muslim turned Christian - who, together with a couple of friends, hired an exorcist to try to cure his gay friend. Taking it a bit far we thought - but then he was odd in more ways than one so not entirely unexpected).

[jim360]

I'm in no doubt that it's a sincerely-held belief of Widdecombe and of many others. So what? It deserves every condemnation it gets.

[naomi24]

Jim, that contradicts your post at 16:13. If, as you say, understanding it is a long way off, clearly it is not currently understood, and therefore questioning it does not deserve condemnation.

[jackthehat]

Believing/hoping it is possible to *pray the 'gay' away* is understandable in those of a particularly religious flavour.....

Those of a more rational mind know that it is just another layer of horse-dung on top of so many other layers.

Perhaps Science may provide some answers for our existence but I certainly hope that does not lead to scientific/medical intervention to eradicate us.

[jim360]

No it doesn't. I don't have to understand something entirely in order to know what it is not.

[naomi24]

//I certainly hope that does not lead to scientific/medical intervention to eradicate us. //

I see no suggestion of that, but I do know that some people would very much prefer to be heterosexual and so for them advances in understanding would possibly be a welcome beacon of hope.

[spathiphyllum]

So the real question is.. why is someone in politics letting their religious beliefs condemn a large % of the population?

If it was another religion trying to impose it's beleifs, i'm sure all arms would be up in the air.

[naomi24]

Jim, if you don’t know what it’s all about- and it stands to reason you don't because no one does - you know neither what it is or what it is not. Personal hobby horses shouldn’t be allowed to cloud rationality.

[naomi24]

//why is someone in politics letting their religious beliefs condemn a large % of the population? //

I see no condemnation.... and it isn't a large percentage of the population.