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retrocop | 19:36 Tue 02nd Jul 2019 | News
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How dreadfully Sad. Yet again the Russians have proved they are not quite expert at Submarine 'exploration'

https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/02/fourteen-sailors-dead-fire-breaks-russian-submarine-10103616/?ico=pushly-notifcation-small&utm_source=pushly



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None of the prior comments made mention nor implied, any revelling in their demise.
We'll have to agree to disagree, Danny.
I am baffled that you can't see the distastefulness of the first post.
Tilly, I agree that the post was hardly in good taste, but it did not imply any rejoicing.As you say we will have to agree to disagree.
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//But they are Russian and therefore we can revel in their demise.//

First time back since posting this tragedy.Very little shocks me or suprises me on AB or in the real world but that comment,coming from Gromit is startling to say the least.
Obviously Gromit has never been a sailor or understands the total respect for all seamen/women amongst fellow sailors whatever their nationality.The Brits and US were not slow in offering the Russians assistance in the Kursk disaster and that is how it always should be.
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Having read all the posts now I can see Tilly and jno thinkI was making a snide point scoring comment.I can assure these people I was not but it tells me what sort of people they are.
I have spent many years sailing around Biscay and Channel Islands both British and French and hold a Coastal Skippers ticket and all that goes with it. I do not mock other sailors and the tragedies that may befall them. We have a law that insists we always go to the rescue of others at sea.
What I would call Tilly2 and jno right now would,at least, get me suspended for their crass and unwarranted insinuations.
Did you expect anything else from the trio Retro?

Back to the OP, yes it does look like the Russians have a way to go on submarine tech. The problem with subs is there is little room for error and such tragedies tend to be the only way issues are found. Lets hope they are nearing the end of the learning curve and fewer happen in the future.
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Their Tech is certainly way behind the rest and crude in the extreme.
The kursk tradgedy was confirmed to be caused by seawater leaking on to old style torpedoes propelled with amonnia.This created chlorine gas and ignited causing the internal explosion in the torpedo rooms.
The very same tragedy happened years previously on a British R.N. Submarine whilst the boat,I believe, was being loaded in harbour.
The same type of torpedo propellant was used then with the same tragic result. The RN never used those torpedos again. If only the Russian navy took note this calamity would not of occurred with the Kursk.
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My mistake. The Torpedo propellant was Hydrogen Peroxide NOT Ammonia.
https://uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/3473.html
Whatever the substance ammunition and under the water in a small confined space is not a good mix.
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For sure. Why were lessons not learnt? :-(
You can call me what you like, Retro. No matter to me.

I was actually talking about the first reply, not the OP.

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My apologies to Tilly2 then. I thought you were having a pop at me but mistaken.
Yes, you were mistaken. Apology accepted.
Coping with a tragedy using humour, even black humour, isn't uncommon.
Sorry to hear of this. Quite a few sad news items of late, but I suppose there always is.
// The Brits and US were not slow in offering the Russians assistance in the Kursk disaster//
which was brusquely refused by Putin who took offers as an insult innit ( Kursk WAS 20 y ago)
// The Brits and US were not slow in offering the Russians assistance in the Kursk disaster and that is how it always should be. //

times today
film about it coming out
the Brits were actually there really to dive, and the Russians said - nyet. The russians were still sensitive about the Brits going thro the submariners' knickers apparently(*) - that is, seeing all the equipment, secret cody things and so on, as well as the latest exploding torpedo....so they let them die slowly instead and saved their secrets. It does seem incredible

(*) Buster Crabb's final words were - I am just going to look at the
Russians bottoms.

Mr Darcey stars as the Brit commander apparently
How awful :(

I remember the Kursk incident as well. Very sad :(

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