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What Antisemitism?
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Show me examples of this alleged antisemitism in the Labour Party and I’ll stop voting for them.
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there's an informative article here:-
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whilst there have been instances of behaviour for which the perpetrators have felt sufficiently "guilty" to apologise, a lot of the problems facing the party stem from the way they have chosen (or not) to action them. take the definition of anti-Semitism, for instance. the party did not accept the international definition and in that case, what they should have said is "we don't accept this, and this is why". instead Mr Corbyn sat on his hands and said nothing, and allowed the party to be backed into a corner. other issues have been dealt with in a similarly inept fashion. the way the leadership have not led (and this very public issue is a classic illustration) should be more of a worry for prospective voters than perceived discrimination by some members of the party.
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whilst there have been instances of behaviour for which the perpetrators have felt sufficiently "guilty" to apologise, a lot of the problems facing the party stem from the way they have chosen (or not) to action them. take the definition of anti-Semitism, for instance. the party did not accept the international definition and in that case, what they should have said is "we don't accept this, and this is why". instead Mr Corbyn sat on his hands and said nothing, and allowed the party to be backed into a corner. other issues have been dealt with in a similarly inept fashion. the way the leadership have not led (and this very public issue is a classic illustration) should be more of a worry for prospective voters than perceived discrimination by some members of the party.
//This week, Jeremy Corbyn said he was ‘sincerely sorry’ for the pain that had been caused to the Jewish community by anti-Semitism in ‘pockets’ within the Labour Party. //
Corbyn knows it exists. Who are you going to vote for, bainbrig?
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Corbyn knows it exists. Who are you going to vote for, bainbrig?
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Of course one can provide the evidence but a dyed in the wool socialist
who would vote for a donkey with a red rosette will tell us it's 'fake news'.
Even Labour's own party members can see and realise the rife anti-semitism amongst there own left wing fascists.
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who would vote for a donkey with a red rosette will tell us it's 'fake news'.
Even Labour's own party members can see and realise the rife anti-semitism amongst there own left wing fascists.
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Watching Sky's Press Review. Apparently Labour tried to delay the Panorama programme:
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//Jewish people are just people. What the heck makes people pick on them?//
I think the religious reasons are easy enough to understand. The rejection of Christ as the Messiah and his crucifixion are attributed to the Jews as a group in the New Testament (starting in the gospel of John which attributes the conniving and pressure on the Roman rulers which led to Jesus' execution not to the priestly caste as the earlier gospels did, but to "the Jews"). Catholic Europe embraced the principle of collective guilt which made "the Jews" perpetrators of the supreme sin of deicide.
Similarly when Mohammed fled to Medina six hundred years later claiming to be the Messianic prophet and met with the same answer ("No you're not") from Medina's Jews, he got the hump and ended up getting rid (by various devices including mass murder) of them all. In fact Jew hatred is far more explicit and pervasive in the Koran than it is in the NT, or, I'm told, even in Mein Kampf. Hence the obscene and ubiquitous anti-Jewish propaganda in (most especially the Arab part of) the Islamic world. It's a hatred which didn't begin in 1948, but in 623.
More recently, I guess, the Ashkenazi Jews in Europe are quite obviously disproportionately successful compared with native populations or most other immigrant groups. Which I suppose is invidious.
I think the religious reasons are easy enough to understand. The rejection of Christ as the Messiah and his crucifixion are attributed to the Jews as a group in the New Testament (starting in the gospel of John which attributes the conniving and pressure on the Roman rulers which led to Jesus' execution not to the priestly caste as the earlier gospels did, but to "the Jews"). Catholic Europe embraced the principle of collective guilt which made "the Jews" perpetrators of the supreme sin of deicide.
Similarly when Mohammed fled to Medina six hundred years later claiming to be the Messianic prophet and met with the same answer ("No you're not") from Medina's Jews, he got the hump and ended up getting rid (by various devices including mass murder) of them all. In fact Jew hatred is far more explicit and pervasive in the Koran than it is in the NT, or, I'm told, even in Mein Kampf. Hence the obscene and ubiquitous anti-Jewish propaganda in (most especially the Arab part of) the Islamic world. It's a hatred which didn't begin in 1948, but in 623.
More recently, I guess, the Ashkenazi Jews in Europe are quite obviously disproportionately successful compared with native populations or most other immigrant groups. Which I suppose is invidious.
Watched Panorama on Labour’s “anti-semitism”...
For as long as I’ve got a hole in my donkey I’m never going to vote for the Bosses Party (or the various Loonies of the Brexit persuasion). But... not sure how in good conscience I could vote for Labour, or its inept leader.
I describe myself as a lifelong socialist - a Marxist. I believe that the foundation if Israel was a correct and inevitable response to the horrors suffered by the Jewish people - but I believe that the treatment of the Palestinians has been appalling, and I am solidly opposed to the rightwing governments of Israel. But being against a rightwing government does not mean I am against the people!
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For as long as I’ve got a hole in my donkey I’m never going to vote for the Bosses Party (or the various Loonies of the Brexit persuasion). But... not sure how in good conscience I could vote for Labour, or its inept leader.
I describe myself as a lifelong socialist - a Marxist. I believe that the foundation if Israel was a correct and inevitable response to the horrors suffered by the Jewish people - but I believe that the treatment of the Palestinians has been appalling, and I am solidly opposed to the rightwing governments of Israel. But being against a rightwing government does not mean I am against the people!
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The Luciana Berger incident is one complication of many, and doesn't prove or disprove much. Neither, as it happens, does Ken Livingstone's widely quoted misinterpretation of 1930s history. It WAS true that the Nazis were barmy, and that one of their barmy solutions was to annexe Madagascar and ship all European Jews to that island. It was also true that various elements in the Nazis were in favour of a middle-eastern homeland for European Jews, not to do them any favours, but to help 'purify' the Aryan blood (sic/sick).
To recognise these facts is in no way to deny the much more important fact of the Holocaust, simply to see that even an evil regime such as the Nazis was riven with complexities and contradictions (have a close look at any loony party currently raving in Britain for confirmation of this).
But there does seem to be a 'let's call all socialists anti-semitic' bandwagon which the simpler amongst us jump on. It's a cliche, it's lazy, and it distorts everyone's moral compass.
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To recognise these facts is in no way to deny the much more important fact of the Holocaust, simply to see that even an evil regime such as the Nazis was riven with complexities and contradictions (have a close look at any loony party currently raving in Britain for confirmation of this).
But there does seem to be a 'let's call all socialists anti-semitic' bandwagon which the simpler amongst us jump on. It's a cliche, it's lazy, and it distorts everyone's moral compass.
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