So It's Confirmed We Are Ready For No Deal, Even The Cbi Think We Are Not....

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49142762
on the basis that the CBI thinks the opposite of reality is there no better indicator that we are ready?

[Khandro]

The smart businesses are ready, the dummies are waiting to see what is going to happen before taking any action & a lot of them will (deservedly) go to the wall -- they've only had THREE YEARS after all.

[10ClarionSt]

Well, as he took office, Boris said we will be leaving the EU on Oct 31st. I might be wrong (probably am) but I thought it was Parliament that would make the decision. Actually, I couldn't care less, in or out.

[Khandro]

https://order-order.com/2019/07/29/cbi-dancing-boriss-no-deal-tune/

[Calicogirl]

Guido Fawkes as a credible link- whoddathunkiteh?

[gulliver1]

There can be no such thing as an Organised No Deal.

[ToraToraTora]

10cs "I might be wrong (probably am) but I thought it was Parliament that would make the decision" - yes they did make that decision, the European Union (notification of withdrawal act), 2017
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_(Notification_of_Withdrawal)_Act_2017
It's already been extended twice using a statutory instrument (though the legality of that is currently being tested in court). It is primarily this act that means no deal does not need parliamentary approval and is the default.

[jim360]

I think it's the EU (Withdrawal) Act 2018 that specifies the date of departure, rather than the 2017 ACt, which merely authorised giving notification.

[ToraToraTora]

ok jim but to answer 10cs, parliament have already decided. (passed in both cases by a large majority)

[jim360]

Well, perhaps. But as you've stated, a Statutory Instrument has already been used twice to push the departure date back so that a deal could be agreed, and Parliament even gave itself the power to pass its own legislation guaranteeing the same. In that sense, yes, if Parliament sits about and does nothing then I think 31st October is Exit Day, "end of" -- but the point is that Parliament is absolutely not going to sit about and do nothing.

[Old_Geezer]

Right or wrong, the CBI will always highlight problems with their members not getting there. Exiting is new territory. They and their members have the same opportunity as all to anticipate possible issues and prepare. Just hope most are competent enough to have it sorted in time; else someone more alert and dynamic will grab their market share.

[Old_Geezer]

Parliament may find they have no choice but to sit down and do nothing if they are plotting once again to try to overturn the people's decision.

[mushroom25]

//the point is that Parliament is absolutely not going to sit about and do nothing. //

except that's precisely what they've been doing since the last extension was announced. and now they're all off on their holidays until September.

[jim360]

That's a different kind of sitting about and doing nothing. Recesses are normal, and before that there was an election for a new PM.

As to OG's post on Parliament being "forced" to allow no deal: it's firstly far from clear that "No Deal" was what the people wanted, despite the insistence from many on this site; and secondly, getting Parliament to do something specific is what General Elections are for. I still think that there's a good chance of one by, say, March 2020 at the latest.

[CrapAtCryptics]

I believe Boris said they would work flat out to ensure that, if there was a no deal, then we would be ready. As good as they are this was only a few days ago and despite the fact that many MPs have swanned off on holiday I dont see Boris and his team getting much of a rest.

[youngmafbog]

I wonder how many will now start to worry about keeping their seats too. Quite a while for them to contemplate not having a trough to stick their snout in because if they openly defy their constituents that is what will happen. They now no longer have Treasons muddy water to hide in, it will be plain to see who the quislings.

[Old_Geezer]

Exit was what they wanted. A country being thwarted by the EU's decision not to agree a reasonable deal, is clearly unacceptable. Result: no-deal is the only way forward. Whether this was everyone's first choice option isn't relevant, it's what has been forced on us in order to deliver the demand.

[jim360]

// I wonder how many will now start to worry about keeping their seats too. //

Some will, and some will not, but it cuts both ways. Pro-European parties are doing pretty well. The next election, if it is basically about whether we continue pursuing Brexit or not, will be extremely messy.

[jim360]

It perhaps warrants a separate topic, but have you been through the text of the WA yourself, OG? If so, what about it should stay, go, or change?

[dannyk13]

ymb, I don't think many are worried about losing their seats at the moment,
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/boris-johnson/news/105610/tories-enjoy-boris-johnson

[Old_Geezer]

I started to read the "withdrawal" "agreement" but these things are not that attention grabbing to those unused to examing them, so like most, I allowed the experts to interpret for me and place their interpretation in the public domain. They were mostly scathing. I was particularly taken by one found in the Spectator that went through it pointing out the issues.

I think it's clear there is too much wrong with it to act as a basis for change. The NI issue (which ought not be an issue at all) being a particular sticking point. But there were trade negotiation restrictions too. It was an error trying to separate specific withdrawal demands from trade discussions in the first place. It seems to me that they should have started with an agreement over security, joint projects to continue, citizens' rights, etc. and ignored mugging attempts demanding cash for leaving and offering no evidence anything was legally owed. Then the Canadian trade agreement should have been used as a basis and expanded that to cover services and other areas as they were uncovered. As it is, time is tunning out, no shift in EU position has been seen, nor is likely, and no-deal has been all that's left for ages now.