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Electoral Pact
Doesn't this make sense ?
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This offer seems to only in The Times & Breitbart
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This offer seems to only in The Times & Breitbart
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it was on the BBC more than a week ago
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If Farage thinks it would be good for Farage, there's a fair chance it wouldn't be good for Johnson.
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If Farage thinks it would be good for Farage, there's a fair chance it wouldn't be good for Johnson.
It does, but as both parties aren't equally represented at Westminster the Tories may be loathe to give something when they know if the BP stands against them it will cause issues for their raison d'être. But if they're willing to call BP's bluff they may find they get fewer seats due to antidemocratic alliances and leaver vote splits. So maybe best to let the BP go for it in areas that favour Labour and Liberals, for the promise of being the only leave party in Tory favoured areas; and hope to reclaim any lost areas after Brexit.
It certainly doesn’t make sense.
The Tories will never go into a pact with the Brexit Party, just like they never did with UKIP.
They are their biggest rivals, so they are never going to help them with a pact. Farage must be really Naive to even suggest such a daft plan.
If Boris can deliver bt 31st October, then there is no need for an election. If we miss Brexit then who know what will happen.
The Tories will never go into a pact with the Brexit Party, just like they never did with UKIP.
They are their biggest rivals, so they are never going to help them with a pact. Farage must be really Naive to even suggest such a daft plan.
If Boris can deliver bt 31st October, then there is no need for an election. If we miss Brexit then who know what will happen.
Lol
In that Times interview he begins effectively by saying that Boris Johnson is going to fail to do Brexit, that the sole reason for the Brexit Party is the fact that Brexit hasn’t happened yet, and that they are “here to stay” (which suggests it’s never going to happen)
So full marks for that bit of insight, but it’s an odd way of preparing the groundwork for an electoral pact with someone you are effectively branding useless.
The pact idea is bonkers and won’t happen.
In that Times interview he begins effectively by saying that Boris Johnson is going to fail to do Brexit, that the sole reason for the Brexit Party is the fact that Brexit hasn’t happened yet, and that they are “here to stay” (which suggests it’s never going to happen)
So full marks for that bit of insight, but it’s an odd way of preparing the groundwork for an electoral pact with someone you are effectively branding useless.
The pact idea is bonkers and won’t happen.
Boris can’t afford to fail. If he does, he is history.
So the forces combine to stymie on 31st Oct. and a General Election follows.
The result, obviously, because the country is so divided, is a coalition.
A Con/Brexit is unlikely.
Which leaves a LibDem/Lab. Hopefully they can sideline Cobyn to the funny farm beforeNovember
So the forces combine to stymie on 31st Oct. and a General Election follows.
The result, obviously, because the country is so divided, is a coalition.
A Con/Brexit is unlikely.
Which leaves a LibDem/Lab. Hopefully they can sideline Cobyn to the funny farm beforeNovember
//It is fair to say that BP intervention cost the Tories the Brecon by-election.//
I think the best that can be said is that the BP stole a few votes from the Conservatives. What really cost the Tories shedloads of votes is the fact that 10,000 of the constituents voted to boot the Tory incumbent out due to him having his fingers in the till. The Tory leadership decided to stick two fingers up to those 10,000 and adopted the same person as their candidate to stand in the by-election. If I was a Tory voter but not perhaps one of the 10,000 dissidents I would be very loathe indeed to vote for a person whom 20% of the electorate had wanted to see dismissed because of misappropriation of funds.
I think the best that can be said is that the BP stole a few votes from the Conservatives. What really cost the Tories shedloads of votes is the fact that 10,000 of the constituents voted to boot the Tory incumbent out due to him having his fingers in the till. The Tory leadership decided to stick two fingers up to those 10,000 and adopted the same person as their candidate to stand in the by-election. If I was a Tory voter but not perhaps one of the 10,000 dissidents I would be very loathe indeed to vote for a person whom 20% of the electorate had wanted to see dismissed because of misappropriation of funds.
//Can you think of a rational reason for Central Office or the local party (whosoever decides these things) to allow this man to stand, NJ?//
No I can't.
//Here you and I must disagree, NJ. There are some unanswered questions, not chiefly why the 'disgraced' Tory candidate was reselected. He must have had something going for him. I suspect the recall was entirely at the behest of the opposition.//
The recall was triggered by 10,000 (20%) of constituents voting for it. Nobody knows the makup of that 20%. Mr Davies polled 20,000 votes last time out and 12,400 this. His missing 7,600 cannot all be attributed to the Brexit Party (who only polled 3,300 in total). Quite frankly, any party who puts up a candidate who has two very recent convictions for fraud against the public purse and who was removed from the seat precisely because of those convictions deserves to see their candidate lose his deposit.
No I can't.
//Here you and I must disagree, NJ. There are some unanswered questions, not chiefly why the 'disgraced' Tory candidate was reselected. He must have had something going for him. I suspect the recall was entirely at the behest of the opposition.//
The recall was triggered by 10,000 (20%) of constituents voting for it. Nobody knows the makup of that 20%. Mr Davies polled 20,000 votes last time out and 12,400 this. His missing 7,600 cannot all be attributed to the Brexit Party (who only polled 3,300 in total). Quite frankly, any party who puts up a candidate who has two very recent convictions for fraud against the public purse and who was removed from the seat precisely because of those convictions deserves to see their candidate lose his deposit.
The political divide is now more Remain/Leave rather than the traditional Left/Right.
In the next general election i want all the remain parties eg Liberal Democrats, Greens, Scottish & Welsh Nationalist to form an electoral pact and put up a single candidate in each seat. That way Boris could easily lose his seat in Uxbridge
In the next general election i want all the remain parties eg Liberal Democrats, Greens, Scottish & Welsh Nationalist to form an electoral pact and put up a single candidate in each seat. That way Boris could easily lose his seat in Uxbridge
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