Who Can Still Say That Uncontrolled Immigration Isn't Responsible For A Massive Increase In Crime?

[anotheoldgit]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9697274/albanian-gangs-south-east-england-europes-crime-hotspot/

[naomi24]

Jim, quite simply your figures are unreliable. That renders them inadmissible. Wanting it to be doesn’t make it so. Now, having practically lost the will to live with your incessant argument, I shall recharge my batteries elsewhere.

[1ozzy]

//Now, having practically lost the will to live with your incessant argument, I shall recharge my batteries elsewhere.//

Like clockwork, obviously not a wind up then.

[jim360]

Simply stating that they are unreliable without justification, or without an alternative, doesn't make it so either. The CSEW is the most reliable set of figures out there, even with its flaws. Unless you know of a better one that I've missed.

Overall crime has fallen in the UK, on a long-term trend since the mid 1990s.

[retrocop]

//Overall crime has fallen in the UK, on a long-term trend since the mid 1990s.//

Someone had better inform our new P.M. of these reliable figures. He has announced he will spend a lot of wonga on satisfying every man and his dog's demand to increase Police numbers to reduce the 'imagined' soaring crime rate. That has also been the demands of the opposition government!

[spathiphyllum]

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/june2017

[naomi24]

Jim, The way in which crime is recorded has changed so whether or not it has fallen is highly debatable. Thousands of crimes go unrecorded. It’s naïve in the extreme to assume ‘statistics’ are an accurate reflection of true figures.

[teacake44]

Just a thought I had on reading all the different views on this post. Could it also be possible that advanced technology / internet as also played a big part in the increase we see in crime. and if so how much of that goes unreported.

[jim360]

The way in which police has recorded crime changes constantly, it is true. The methodology of the CSEW has also changed a little over time. What is absurd is to somehow suppose that the ONS isn't aware of that already, and has ensured its figures are updated to reflect those changes.

The point remains the same. As far as I can see there's no reason to dispute the general trend in the data. As to retro's post, the fact that crime has fallen is no reason to stop thinking that more police are welcome, especially to replenish the losses to the force in the last decade.

[anotheoldgit]

Cloverjo

//Our own young couples unable to get a Council House because some immigrates are given a priority over them.//

/// I don’t think that’s true, is it? ///

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/press-article/64

/// So who on these bulging lists actually gets a council house? Currently, it is decided on the basis of 'need' which, in turn, is heavily influenced by family size. And once granted residence, a migrant or an asylum seeker can bring over his entire family and thereby move up the priority list. ///

[naomi24]

Jim, that’s nonsense. If crimes aren’t recorded it follows that they aren’t included in statistics purporting to reflect levels of crime.

[jim360]

The Crime Survey isn't about "recorded crime", so the fact that some crimes go unrecorded in itself doesn't influence their data, which is drawn from a different source, ie surveys of the general public. We'd already established this.

[THECORBYLOON]

If folk don't believe the figures from the police or the Crime Survey for England and Wales, whose figures are they using to show that crime is on the increase?

[naomi24]

Jim, //The Crime Survey isn't about "recorded crime"//

That makes it even more of a nonsense. It's actually saying nothing worth hearing.

[THECORBYLOON]

Which figures do you want to use?

[Deskdiary]

If crimes have been reducing, presumably then May was correct in slashing police numbers, wasn't she? Why then was she roundly and villified? If crimes are reducing surely it follows the number of officers required should also reduce.

[teacake44]

^^ Not on one given day,when an officer as to travel 15/20 mile for one incident.

[retrocop]

Why bother about spurious statistics to show that crime is increasing?

Just look at your local paper. So rife it doesn't get to the Nationals.
Have a beef with your local pub landlord because he had barred you?
No problem. Just stab him to death!

https://www.cheshire-live.co.uk/news/chester-cheshire-news/first-image-widnes-hammer-pincers-16740008


Front page of today's Metro. Not only is crime more prolific and county lines are a recent addition to the Polic Services battle against crime. The criminals are recruited from the age of 7 upwards!
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/chicken-shop-gangs-free-food-children-drugs-a9052621.html
These crimes were unheard of 20 odd years ago. Of course there were stabbings but the reasons are more trite and banal these days because the criminal can get away with it or knows how lightly he will get off with it.
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[andy-hughes]

Jim - according to this observation - // Jim, quite simply your figures are unreliable. That renders them inadmissible. //

you have moved seamlessly from expressing your views, to being on trial for them.

Good luck!

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - // It’s naïve in the extreme to assume ‘statistics’ are an accurate reflection of true figures. //

I am so going to remember that quote when you next argue about the negative influence of Islam - which I am sure won't be long!

[anotheoldgit]

sanmac

/// The MORE people there are the MORE crime there is...Is that so difficult a basic concept to grasp? It's more or less the same as saying that increasing the number of drivers will result in more road accidents. ///

That is blatantly obvious, but what we are discussing here is the fact that there is a higher proportion of non indigenous British who are adding to the crime figures.

And the same goes for foreign drivers who are adding to the number of road accidents in Britain.

/// A recent report suggested that the different attitudes to driving, road conditions and speed limits between all the European countries can be extremely confusing to drivers from abroad in the UK. It's estimated that around 18,000 traffic accidents a year occur due to drivers from other countries and this is especially true of heavy goods vehicles. ///

http://www.trafficaccidentadvice.co.uk/uk-road-traffic-accident-with-a-driver-or-vehicle-from-another-country.html