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Aspiring Caretaker, Jeremy, Going Fact-Finding In Ghana
//Jeremy Corbyn will jet off on four-day fact-finding trip to Ghana while he is supposed to be getting MPs behind his mission to become Prime Minister….. He plans to win a confidence vote in the Commons and become the interim leader but this can only happen with cross-party support. But instead of consolidating this, Corbyn will spend most of the week in meetings with Ghana's socialist leaders and member of their National Democratic Congress //
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What facts does he hope to find and will they be instrumental to his ambitions?
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What facts does he hope to find and will they be instrumental to his ambitions?
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Pinter's play, The Caretaker, is said to combine Realism with The Theatre of the Absurd. So, about right then ...
11:47 Mon 19th Aug 2019
//Boris don't seem to bothered either " yet he can fly to Gemany and France" //
//the difference is that Boris has a legitimate reason for flying to Europe.He is trying to get them to negotiate a deal on Brexit,//
he does have a legitimate reason - but Brexit is only a sideshow. Brexit discussions are likely to extend to:-
BORIS: we need a new Deal.
ANGELA: Nein.
EMMANUEL: Non.
the discussion will then move on to the upcoming G7, which is what this week is really about.
//the difference is that Boris has a legitimate reason for flying to Europe.He is trying to get them to negotiate a deal on Brexit,//
he does have a legitimate reason - but Brexit is only a sideshow. Brexit discussions are likely to extend to:-
BORIS: we need a new Deal.
ANGELA: Nein.
EMMANUEL: Non.
the discussion will then move on to the upcoming G7, which is what this week is really about.
The Coup route will be counter productive and will guarantee Boris in No.10 after the soon to be held General Election.
I hope they are not stupid enough to go through with it.
Labour should be concentrating on getting themselves in shape for an election because at the moment they are a complete shambles, and wouldn’t win.
I hope they are not stupid enough to go through with it.
Labour should be concentrating on getting themselves in shape for an election because at the moment they are a complete shambles, and wouldn’t win.
"General election will stop Brexit 'crisis' " says Mr Corbyn.
er, no it won't. Brexit is not divided on party lines; whatever labour's national executive decides the party's policy on Brexit will be (and they've clearly not decided yet) and irrespective of whether the Corbyn/McDonnell/Milne policy accords with the party's, they'll end up alienating approx half of the electorate.
er, no it won't. Brexit is not divided on party lines; whatever labour's national executive decides the party's policy on Brexit will be (and they've clearly not decided yet) and irrespective of whether the Corbyn/McDonnell/Milne policy accords with the party's, they'll end up alienating approx half of the electorate.
Every time there’s a general election half the electorate is alienated.
That’s our system.
No arrangement for the foreseeable future, no matter who is PM, is going to unite people or solve any crisis.
Even if a Brexit deadline is passed such that we leave the EU that won’t be the end of it, Deal or no deal.
That’s our system.
No arrangement for the foreseeable future, no matter who is PM, is going to unite people or solve any crisis.
Even if a Brexit deadline is passed such that we leave the EU that won’t be the end of it, Deal or no deal.
Ich,
The electorate voted for a Conservative Government, albeit one with a slender majority. If the opposition call a vote of no confidence, and win, then the electorate have been cheated out of their democratic choice. It might be legal, it might be procedurally correct, it might even be justified, but if the Country finds that Corbyn is Prime Minister, when they clearly didn’t vote for that, then it will be perceived as a Coup, and Labour will be punished for its power grab at the shortly to be held General Election, leading to 5 years more of Boris.
Labour should be patient, wait for events to proceed naturally, and capitalise on the consequences.
The electorate voted for a Conservative Government, albeit one with a slender majority. If the opposition call a vote of no confidence, and win, then the electorate have been cheated out of their democratic choice. It might be legal, it might be procedurally correct, it might even be justified, but if the Country finds that Corbyn is Prime Minister, when they clearly didn’t vote for that, then it will be perceived as a Coup, and Labour will be punished for its power grab at the shortly to be held General Election, leading to 5 years more of Boris.
Labour should be patient, wait for events to proceed naturally, and capitalise on the consequences.
I agree Gromit, that that is how it would be spun, but that doesn’t make it a correct assessment, as you say yourself.
If the government loses a vote of confidence it should go to the country immediately.
Boris Johnson’s unelected adviser seems effectively telling him to ignore any vote of no confidence, which strikes me as coup-ish in itself :-)
If the government loses a vote of confidence it should go to the country immediately.
Boris Johnson’s unelected adviser seems effectively telling him to ignore any vote of no confidence, which strikes me as coup-ish in itself :-)
Ich,
If the country wakes up one day in September with Corbyn as PM, the voting public won’t be relying on spin from the Mail, Sun or Conservative Central Office to feel cheated. They will have been cheated.
They will take their anger out at the forthcoming General Election - the architects of the Coup will rightly be punished for riding roughshod over the voters intentions at the last General Election.
If the country wakes up one day in September with Corbyn as PM, the voting public won’t be relying on spin from the Mail, Sun or Conservative Central Office to feel cheated. They will have been cheated.
They will take their anger out at the forthcoming General Election - the architects of the Coup will rightly be punished for riding roughshod over the voters intentions at the last General Election.
Arguably the current government bears little relation to what was elected, as a minority government in 2017. If there had been a “ coup” anywhere it’s been one by that party’s right wing, which has seen the premiership change hands on the back of the votes of barely 100,000 people.
The public aren’t going to “wake up” and find Corby, or anyone else, as PM. If it was to happen, it would be a long drawn out soap opera.
I’d suggest Boris Johnson would be unwise to rely on that as an electoral plus. A government that loses a VOC, then hangs on until a Brexit time-out and only thencalls an election when it’s the last thing needed in that situation, is going to be up against it. The chances of the Tory party riding to victory on the back of a default Brexit I’d say are middling to very small
The most likely result of an election, no matter when,is a hung parliament, when who knows who might become PM
The public aren’t going to “wake up” and find Corby, or anyone else, as PM. If it was to happen, it would be a long drawn out soap opera.
I’d suggest Boris Johnson would be unwise to rely on that as an electoral plus. A government that loses a VOC, then hangs on until a Brexit time-out and only thencalls an election when it’s the last thing needed in that situation, is going to be up against it. The chances of the Tory party riding to victory on the back of a default Brexit I’d say are middling to very small
The most likely result of an election, no matter when,is a hung parliament, when who knows who might become PM
//If there had been a “ coup” anywhere it’s been one by that party’s right wing, which has seen the premiership change hands on the back of the votes of barely 100,000 people. //
that's the way party politics works in this country, the party chooses its leader, not the electorate. same as it was in 2007, same as it was in 1976.
that's the way party politics works in this country, the party chooses its leader, not the electorate. same as it was in 2007, same as it was in 1976.
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