Would Agent Cob In No 10 Be A Price Worth Paying For The V B Q C ?

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-as-caretaker-pm-only-failsafe-way-to-stop-no-deal-brexit-11794033

[mushroom25]

it does rather rely on all Brexit opponents agreeing with each other and standing together - rather like a rock band immediately before the point where they agree to "respect each other's musical differences"....

[New Judge]

The Prime Minister must use any means at his disposal to prevent further delay and prevarication. All the opponents of Brexit want to do is to prevent it. They see further delay (which is all they can achieve in the immediate future) as a step on the way to achieving that aim. Most of them voted to allow a referendum, most of them stated they would agree to implement the outcome, most of them voted to invoke A50 and most of them were elected on a manifesto of implementing Brexit at the last General Election. Now they suggest it is only the manner of our departure they don't like. Their hypocrisy needs to stop. If it is clear that the EU will not countenance an acceptable deal then the only way to leave is without one. Business and commerce do not like delay, prevarication and uncertainty. They will deal with whatever effects a No Deal departure has upon them and the sooner they are allowed to deal with it the sooner this country will return to some semblance of normality.

[Zacs-Master]

‘Most of them voted to allow a referendum’

How do?

[Zacs-Master]

Sorry. How so?

[ToraToraTora]

ZM: "How so", have a day off, Cameron had to get the referendum act through the HOQ didn't he?
Bang on judge, another BA for your collection.

[mushroom25]

The EU referendum act was passed on its second reading by 544 votes to 53, only the SNP opposed the act.
The act to invoke article 50 was passed on its 3rd reading by 494 to 122, with both Lords amendments being outvoted.

[New Judge]

//Sorry. How so?//

The European Union referendum Act of 2015 was introduced to the Commons by Ian Hammond (remember him?). It was supported by all major parties except the SNP. It was passed by 544 votes to 53 (all the dissenters being SNP members).

Whilst I accept that the current make up of the HOC is not exactly the same as it was in 2015 it is not too far short. Whilst I have not got the inclination to compare the two name by name I think it is fairly safe to say that the majority of those in the Commons today were among the 544 who, in 2015, voted to allow a referendum.

Many of them now (including the Referendum Bill's sponsor) are actively seeking to deny the country a proper departure from the EU. We can leave aside that most of them voted to invoke A50 and that most of them were elected on a pro-Brexit manifesto in 2017. Their excuse for their dishonesty is that no suitable withdrawal agreement has been drawn up (many of them having voted against the only one on offer). So, by their flawed philosophy, all the EU has to do is precisely what it has done - agree to nothing other than a totally unacceptable deal. Hey Presto! We cannot leave.

Many of those 544 who voted to allow a referendum four years ago did so with no intention of honouring the result should it go the "wrong" way. They were dishonest then and they are dishonest now when they say it is only the lack of a suitable deal which is making them so obstructive. They cannot bear the idea that the UK is leaving the EU and will attempt all manner of arcane processes to prevent what they have already voted for from being implemented. Fortunately the new Prime Minister has other ideas and I wish him well in his quest.

[Theland]

I hope the constituency parties flex their muscles.

[tonyav]

You don't get to decide whether Brexit happens, Johnson tells MPs

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/you-dont-get-to-decide-whether-brexit-happens-johnson-tells-mps/ar-AAGlua5?li=BBoPWjQ

[Jackdaw33]

Who is/was Ian Hammond?

[New Judge]

//Who is/was Ian Hammond?//

He is a funeral director who, for a brief time, masqueraded as the Chancellor of the Exchequer.

[Jackdaw33]

I thought his name was Philip.

[Baldric]

Agent Cob in Number 10 under any circumstances would be a disaster.

[New Judge]

//I thought his name was Philip.//

It seems I have my Hammonds confused !!!!!!!

(To be honest one's enough!)

[Zacs-Master]

‘Many of those 544 who voted to allow a referendum four years ago did so with no intention of honouring the result‘

Mmm. Somewhat undermines your ‘most of them stated they would agree to implement the outcome’ comment.

[ToraToraTora]

get some jelly judge, ZM's off on a riddle.

[Zacs-Master]

No jelly. No nails. Just what people have written. Seems to be shoot yerself in the foot night here on AB. Must be the weather.

[ToraToraTora]

ZM, please explain what undermines the post?
"Mmm. Somewhat undermines your ‘most of them stated they would agree to implement the outcome’ comment. " - they voted it through and agreed to implement the result, exacltly what was said above. So what on planet jelly is "undermining" what there?

[Zacs-Master]

Erm....the two contradictory comments made by NJ.

Jeez it’s sooooo hard when you join in a post having to dumb down for you every time. I’ve been involved in a Theland thread today. That was exhausting but your another level.

[ToraToraTora]

jeez, we all know they were full of tish ZM, but they did actually vote for the referendum and agree that the result should be implemented. Yes they had no intention of honouring that. We've been talking about it for three years! Jeez indeed!