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Remain Still Doesn’T Have The Numbers
According to this article remain still doesn’t have the numbers and not many people have changed their minds either way.
In fact more would go for a no deal than a deal and leave combined outstrip remain. With a people’s vote (second referendum for those not brainwashed) has fewer than the shouters on marchers would have you believe.
Now I know polls can be off kilter but it does seem that they have asked the right questions and broken the data down to % of leave and remain voters preferences.
As an aside it would be obvious that the majority of remain voters would opt for remain and leave voters to opt for leave but even no deal gets the biggest vote.
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In fact more would go for a no deal than a deal and leave combined outstrip remain. With a people’s vote (second referendum for those not brainwashed) has fewer than the shouters on marchers would have you believe.
Now I know polls can be off kilter but it does seem that they have asked the right questions and broken the data down to % of leave and remain voters preferences.
As an aside it would be obvious that the majority of remain voters would opt for remain and leave voters to opt for leave but even no deal gets the biggest vote.
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// Interesting that only 9% think we should seek a further extension if no deal is done by 31st Oct. //
Well, specifically it was "seek a further extension to try to reach a new deal". As a technical point, either a further referendum (or general election), or voting for and then implementing May's Deal, both require extensions themselves. So that would make 34% support for further extension for one reason or another.
There are plenty of things these (and other) polls show. I've no desire to add my own spin to it, beyond saying how sad it is that the various compromise options just aren't getting a look-in. Neither a No-Deal exit (which in any case resolves nothing, quite apart from all the damage it would cause to both our and their economies), nor a straight-up cancellation provides a satisfactory resolution.
Well, specifically it was "seek a further extension to try to reach a new deal". As a technical point, either a further referendum (or general election), or voting for and then implementing May's Deal, both require extensions themselves. So that would make 34% support for further extension for one reason or another.
There are plenty of things these (and other) polls show. I've no desire to add my own spin to it, beyond saying how sad it is that the various compromise options just aren't getting a look-in. Neither a No-Deal exit (which in any case resolves nothing, quite apart from all the damage it would cause to both our and their economies), nor a straight-up cancellation provides a satisfactory resolution.
Very poor survey and the result as presented is very misleading.
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It looks like Remain is the preferred option on 34%.
But there are 3 Leave options that total 46%. By splitting Leave into 3, means the bars are shorter than Remain giving the illusion most people want to Remain.
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It looks like Remain is the preferred option on 34%.
But there are 3 Leave options that total 46%. By splitting Leave into 3, means the bars are shorter than Remain giving the illusion most people want to Remain.
It doesn't necessarily follow that all of the Leave options would unify if forced. We've seen, for example, that some on this site would back Remain if given the choice between May's Withdrawal Agreement and Remaining, but would prefer No Deal to both. Or it could be the other way round, Remainers preferring to concede a compromise solution as long as it's available, but steadfastly against No Deal.
If Remain was an option and won parliament wouldn’t have to do anything.
If a deal to leave was an option - or indeed No Deal and won then parliament effectively also would not really have to do anything. The electorate having passed what parliament did not want to or couldn’t pass.
So it would not be the same as last time where the referendum and the bill to leave preceded the negotiations: it was the deal resulting from the latter that parliament felt it could not support. That bit is now behind us.
If a deal to leave was an option - or indeed No Deal and won then parliament effectively also would not really have to do anything. The electorate having passed what parliament did not want to or couldn’t pass.
So it would not be the same as last time where the referendum and the bill to leave preceded the negotiations: it was the deal resulting from the latter that parliament felt it could not support. That bit is now behind us.
Very slight I agree mushroom.
However it is possible that a referendum might be made the price of voting for any deal in parliament by enough MPs.
If I was Corbyn that’s what I’d do: Labour says it wants a referendum on a deal: the govt will need some Labour votes anyway to get a deal through tho admittedly possibly not many.
And crucially it would delay an election and almost certainly weaken Johnson’s position electorally which Labour could do with, because right now they are every bit as much of a shambles as the Tories. With the further disadvantage currently of being miles behind in the polls.
However it is possible that a referendum might be made the price of voting for any deal in parliament by enough MPs.
If I was Corbyn that’s what I’d do: Labour says it wants a referendum on a deal: the govt will need some Labour votes anyway to get a deal through tho admittedly possibly not many.
And crucially it would delay an election and almost certainly weaken Johnson’s position electorally which Labour could do with, because right now they are every bit as much of a shambles as the Tories. With the further disadvantage currently of being miles behind in the polls.
Labour’s policy indeed doesn’t seem all that coherent: nothing wrong with wanting a referendum. In a way it’s very like the Tories in Cameron’s time: let’s have a referendum but we might support one side or the other depending on how the negotiations go.
At least with Cameron he was always confident he would end up for remaining.
But this gives labour a way out: sort out Brexit first with a referendum and then get back to “normal” politics.
At least with Cameron he was always confident he would end up for remaining.
But this gives labour a way out: sort out Brexit first with a referendum and then get back to “normal” politics.
//..beyond saying how sad it is that the various compromise options just aren't getting a look-in.//
And why should they? The referendum result wasn't to "compromise" (i.e. capitulate to the EU's demands under the threat of making life tricky); it was to leave. So my same three year old question: how many "compromise options" would have gained a look-in if the result had been to remain?
And why should they? The referendum result wasn't to "compromise" (i.e. capitulate to the EU's demands under the threat of making life tricky); it was to leave. So my same three year old question: how many "compromise options" would have gained a look-in if the result had been to remain?
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