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It’S A Ge So I’Ll Vote
But I won’t in a second referendum
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Of course we shouldn't have a second referendum. The government wrote to us all, delivered to our door, promising to carry out what we decided. It was pointed out in parliament yesterday that a certain MP called Jo Swinson called for a in out referendum several years ago. Now this 'democrat' wants to ignore that result.
08:14 Wed 30th Oct 2019
I tend to agree.
There is no reason to suspect the result of a second referendum will be respected (unless the result is to remain - which should not even be on the ballot paper). I might vote if the question was deal or no deal but I'll not participate in anything which asks me substantially the same question a second time.
There is no reason to suspect the result of a second referendum will be respected (unless the result is to remain - which should not even be on the ballot paper). I might vote if the question was deal or no deal but I'll not participate in anything which asks me substantially the same question a second time.
As I've said extensively, there is no justification for a second referendum whatever the question. But we've done this all before. I'll be washing my hair that day if one is called. I've largely lost the will to live as far as Brexit is concerned. This country had the ideal opportunity to strike out in a new direction which would not entail us being enthralled to a bunch of foreign crooks, shysters and charlatans. But they blew it. If this country is collectively stupid enough to allow our membership to continue (or some form of "associate membership" be formed) then good luck to it. They will regret it for the manifold reasons I have pointed out ad nauseum.
A GE will make little difference. If the Tories are returned with a workable majority Mr Johnson's deal will be approved (provided the same rebels who sabotaged it last time are not returned). We shall "leave" but that leaving entails imposing a customs border within the UK in order to appease a few people in Ireland, paying £39bn for nothing and still being bound by much of the EU legislation and regulations that no other countries outside the EU are subject to. I won't be holding a leaving party.
A GE will make little difference. If the Tories are returned with a workable majority Mr Johnson's deal will be approved (provided the same rebels who sabotaged it last time are not returned). We shall "leave" but that leaving entails imposing a customs border within the UK in order to appease a few people in Ireland, paying £39bn for nothing and still being bound by much of the EU legislation and regulations that no other countries outside the EU are subject to. I won't be holding a leaving party.
Not that it particularly matters, but a "few people in Ireland" is perhaps an underestimate. It's the entire country at issue here. Northern Ireland voted to remain, and its interests, and the difficulty in reconciling those interests with the aims of Brexit, are the main reason that we are where we are now. Perhaps with a bit more understanding and less contempt people would have, if not voted to Remain after all, then certainly given more thought to the difficulties inherent in leaving.
I agree that a GE is unwelcome; but if not a GE, and if not an issue-specific vote, then what? You can't press on with a broken deal; Parliament will not allow a No Deal -- whether they are correct in this or not is clearly irrelevant -- and no other deal is forthcoming, at least without the UK making some serious changes in what it's trying to achieve and what it is prepared to give up for that; and nor can Parliament or any other body countenance unilaterally revoking Notification.
There has to be a resolution to the impasse, but that resolution can only come with explicit and unambiguous consent. Right now, there is none.
I agree that a GE is unwelcome; but if not a GE, and if not an issue-specific vote, then what? You can't press on with a broken deal; Parliament will not allow a No Deal -- whether they are correct in this or not is clearly irrelevant -- and no other deal is forthcoming, at least without the UK making some serious changes in what it's trying to achieve and what it is prepared to give up for that; and nor can Parliament or any other body countenance unilaterally revoking Notification.
There has to be a resolution to the impasse, but that resolution can only come with explicit and unambiguous consent. Right now, there is none.
I didn't vote in the first one, so I wouldn't vote in a second one. However, my perception of the first referendum vote was that the majority voted to just leave. None of the gubbins that has happened since; we voted out, so we just come out. If there was a second referendum, I think the result would be in favour of remaining because I can't see the reaminers changing their minds, whereas I've heard some Leave voters saying they would vote remain in any 2nd referendum. In, out, in out shake it all about.
