Will We Have A New Female Pm?

[AuntPollyGrey]

Sorry if this is in the wrong section could not find the 'politics' section.

The LibDebs have published their Remain manifesto. As over 16 million people voted to Remain in the EU will these voters jump ship to the LibDems? How will they cope if all of a sudden they have a majority in Parliament.

If not who will Remainers vote for? Comrade Corbyn has now declared he can trip the light fandango to the EU and get a fantastic deal should he get voted in (shudder) -thus showing his hand on Brexit and thus losing perhaps dyed in the wool traditional labour Leavers.

[DTCwordfan]

Suggest you go down to the bookies and get a blue or brown note on Jo becoming PM.....current odds average out at 50-1 - spread from 25 to 80 to 1, depending on the betting company. Mikey and I did this over the Cameron election, each of us putting a tenner down on a spread bet 'by how many seats'.....I came away with £150.......

[CrapAtCryptics]

i`m not sure declaring for Remain will boost the Lib Dems by all the remain voters - the traditional voting patterns are very ingrained for some people.

[ToraToraTora]

swimsuit may get more seats but even the remoaners know a vote for the Lib NonDems is a wasted vote. They may do better if they had an accurate name.

[steg]

Aye, hung parliament, libs and labour can’t decide who’s leader should lead, ask Nicola to step in. Nicola for PM yipeee :)
Or maybe not :(

[Old_Geezer]

In the unlikely event their undemocratic swing actually brings in more votes and we find ourselves in a parallel fantasy universe, then there'll be a lot of constituencies where illiberal undemocrats gained second place.

(Indeed Labour is likely to suffer the same issue. Except there it's the fantasy of getting a better deal and then the idiocy of campaigning to reject this fantasy deal that will put thinking folk off.)

So, Farage willing, if you want a female PM you need to hope for another Tory leadership contest.

[AuntPollyGrey]

So, I'm Remain (I'm not) totally fed up with the Brexit fiasco but have voted Tory all my life. Do I vote for the Tory candidate and support leaving with Boris's ridiculous deal? Do I vote for Comrade Corbyn and end up in a quasi communist country with Brexit wafting in the background like the ghost from Christmas past, or do I vote for a Party who openly says they will revoke article 50? I could be tempted ( not me personally) . May go put a tenner on them......Heaven forbid they do get in though.

[spathiphyllum]

" even the remoaners know a vote for the Lib NonDems is a wasted vote. "

As a remonaer myself, I may say that I certainly won't be voting for Labour. A vote for the Lib Dems in my eyes would be better than a vote for Labour. Why are they even seen as left wing? They're simply wet flannels.

I'll hopefully be voting green.

[spathiphyllum]

In case this was missed - https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Politics/Question1680695.html

[jim360]

It's a contradiction in terms for an "undemocratic" manifesto to win support. Either the people support it, in which case it's democratic, or they don't, in large enough numbers, in which case better luck next time.

In practice the LibDems will not win a majority, firstly because not enough Remain voters will switch their votes -- you kind of need everyone to believe it's worth it at once, and I don't think they do -- and secondly because even if a fair few did, the system is not really designed with LibDems in mind. In a reasonable* scenario with, say, Corbyn's vote collapsing in favour of the Libdems, so that the national vote share is something like LD/Con/Lab = 35/30/25, then the Tories are the largest party in seats, and despite a massive 10-point lead Labour are only about 20 seats short of the LibDems.

So a lot of things need to go right for the LibDems even to make any kind of significant impression. I'd be surprised if they got more than 50 seats and amazed if they got more than 60.


*I use "reasonable" in the loosest possible sense here.

[Old_Geezer]

You are saying that one can't vote to be an undemocratic country ? To be ordered about with decisions you don't want ? Who's to say a wave of masochism can't sweep a nation ?

I reckon you can vote for any option given you.

[Mozz71]

Where's Screaming Lord Dutch when we really need him?

(I know he's dead, its a rhetorical question)

[Mozz71]

Sutch.

Screw you autocorrect, screw you.

[drmorgans]

As I understand it Labour's policy (if they have a majority) is to renegotiate the Brexit deal then put that to a second confirmatory referendum and then either leave (based on their new deal) or remain.

[Jackdaw33]

My feeling is that the LDs are set to lose seats rather than gain them.

[Old_Geezer]

Which is wrong on many counts.
a) They won't get a significantly better deal
b) To get something then campaign against their failure is perverse
c) We have already voted to leave so asking the same question again (especially when their agreement is unlikely to be a true leave) is undemocratic and thus wrong
d) And to make it worse, remain is one of the options and that's already rejected so has no justification for being there, just remoaner excuses to ignore the previous decision.

[emmie]

No, they are lame ducks..

[naomi24]

I can't help thinking the Lib non-Dems will do well. Fools that can see no farther than 'Remain' will vote for them. Never mind they have nothing to offer except utter contempt for democracy.

[spathiphyllum]

I'd be hesitant to say "Fools that can see no farther than 'Remain' will vote for them." as you've no idea on the % of people who still want remain, and if it's almost 50% as it was only a couple of years back, you're in danger of calling 47% of the voters "Fools".

[naomi24]

Hello Spath, I thought you'd closed the door on your way out this morning. Changed your mind?

[spathiphyllum]

Hello. "Changed your mind?" I never made my mind up.