Labour-Man Sees The Light?

[Khandro]

'Former minister Ian Austin has urged "decent, traditional voters" to back Boris Johnson in the upcoming General Election.

He claimed that "Jeremy Corbyn is totally unfit to lead this country" and Labour's economic policies "would leave our country worse off".

The former Minister for the West Midlands, who resigned the Labour whip in February, admitted: "I'm not a Tory, this isn't where I want to be." '
Today's Telegraph

Will all of ABs, "decent, traditional voters" follow suit?

[douglas9401]

He's a liar.

[Gromit]

// He's been in for a few weeks with a minority government //

He inherited the DUP arrangement and had a working majority. Which he turned into a -47 minority by expulsions of his fellow MPs in an act of petulance. He had to grovel to readmit most of them when he needed their votes.

[10ClarionSt]

You've been told before how he could have won them, Tora Man. He shouldn't have sacked 21 of his own MP's. had he not done that he would have got his majority.

[ToraToraTora]

he could have won them by becoming a quisling himself you mean? He had no choice but to clean the collaborators out. There's no point, if to retain a majority, you have to do the opposite of what you want to do.

[10ClarionSt]

And he dodged the questions about racism when confronted in the Commons by Tanmanjeet Singh Dhesi. He was squirming in his seat. He had no answers.

[douglas9401]

Another day, another blunderbus BS argument, TTT.

Have a day off.

End of.

[Gromit]

Boris got elected Prime Minister on one promise.

// June 25: "We are getting ready to come out on October 31. Come what may. Do or die."

September 2: "There are no circumstances in which I will ask Brussels to delay. We are leaving on 31 October, no ifs or buts."

September 3: "We will leave by 31 October in all circumstances. There will be no further pointless delay."

September 4: [No10 source at official press briefing]: "The PM has been clear that he will not go to Brussels to ask for an extension."

September 5: "[Delay?] I'd rather be dead in a ditch."

September 6: [Asked if he'll carry out Parliament's instructions to delay] "I will not. I don't want a delay."

September 6: "[MPs] just passed a law that would force me to beg Brussels for an extension to the  Brexit deadline. This is something I will never do."

September 9: "I will not ask for another delay."

September 10: [Treasury minister Simon Clarke, speaking on government's behalf]: "The government is very clear that we will not under any circumstances be asking for an extension and that is the absolute bottom line." //


And here we are in November, still in the EU.

[Old_Geezer]

Opting not to throw folk out of a party doesn't stop them voting against the party.
I sometimes wonder at the opinions expressed here, whether they are genuinely held or just typed to be argumentative. Whilst Brexit (and democracy, except in the House between the elites) is unpopular with many MPs there was/is next to no chance of winning votes to deliver it. Thus the push to reset parliament with a GE.

[Old_Geezer]

All that proves Gromit, is that in certain circumstances the House can find ways to thwart the aspirations and beliefs of the PM and the UK, regardless how hard he's tried to achieve them.

[dannyk13]

Gromit, don't you ever get tired of trotting out the same rubbish? The fact is that he could not keep his promise because he was thwarted by remainers in parliament.

[Gromit]

// The fact is that he could not keep his promise because he was thwarted by remainers in parliament. //

The fact is he knew he could not deliver on his promises when he made them. But he lied anyway.

[dannyk13]

Gromit, how on earth do you know what was in Boris's mind? You really do come out with some outlandish statements.

[Gromit]

dannyk13

Everyone knew that Johnson’s promises were not going to be approved by Parliament, the mathematics were against it, so even Boris himself must have known surely. As soon as he was through the door of Downing Street he was begging Corbyn to grant him an general election so he could change the mathematics.

[douglas9401]

"Gromit, don't you ever get tired of trotting out the same rubbish?"

Did you type that with a straight face. Pots n kettles. :-)

[ToraToraTora]

yes gromit, prevented from all of that by the HOQ, you cannot be that blind.

gromit: "The fact is he knew he could not deliver on his promises when he made them. But he lied anyway. " - he stated his intentions, that's not lying. He was thwarted by the VBQC, surely you can see that.

[ToraToraTora]

for someone who claims not to be a Labour man gromit, you do spend an awful lot of time attacking the Tories. How are you going to vote?

[dannyk13]

Gromit //Everyone knew that Johnson’s promises were not going to be approved by Parliament,//
Nobody knew anything.

[Gromit]

// Labour-Man Sees The Light? //

He ceased being a Labour Man 9 months ago.

[dannyk13]

Douglas //Did you type that with a straight face.//
Yes I did.

[Gromit]

Dannyk13,
// nobody knew anything. //

Tora knew...
// when you have are a minority and the the house is packed with VBQC that's what happens, you lose votes. //