Should The P M Break With Tradition In This Case?

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/commons-speaker-sir-lindsay-hoyle-urges-pm-to-give-john-bercow-a-peerage-11893118

[Khandro]

Well. at least Boris has no doubts that it is more than simply a holiday;

'The Prime Minister will use his Christmas message to express sympathy for Christians "who are facing persecution" around the world.

Boris Johnson will also vow to “defend” their right to religious expression, saying he will aim to “change” the dire predicament of those punished for their faith.

He will say: “Today of all days, I want us to remember those Christians around the world who are facing persecution.

“For them, Christmas Day will be marked in private, in secret, perhaps even in a prison cell.

“As Prime Minister, that’s something I want to change. We stand with Christians everywhere, in solidarity, and will defend your right to practise your faith.”

A Downing Street source said the Prime Minister "wants to look at how we can lead on the issue around the world”.'

Power to his elbow!

[10ClarionSt]

For all his obstructiveness, Bercow was not the reason that Brexit didn't go through when he was the Speaker. The obvious reason it failed is because some Tory MPs' failed to support their own PM. That was the cause. The Tories refuse to acknowledge that. Some of the votes were so close that even if a handful of the rebels had supported the govt, Brexit would have been done, despite Bercow, Corby et al. John Bercow has played his part in the rich, political history of this country, whether you were in favour of him or not. Vindictiveness towards him over Brexit is now surfacing, especially from those Tories who wear The Emperors' New Clothes, even now. Should he get a peerage? I don't care, but Johnson seems to me to be the type of person that isn't afraid to show his vindictiveness, and refuse to award a peerage whilst saying he doesn't deserve one because of his handling of Brexit.

[Peter Pedant]

Give Bercow his peerage
And while we are at it , give Lewis Hamilton is Knighthood
at eleasst one will deserve it

ter daaaaah !

[10ClarionSt]

Call someone a slimy runt (@20.47) and be awarded best answer for it? !!!!!!!!

[Khandro]

Not only no ennoblement, he should be in the tower awaiting trial as a traitor.

[10ClarionSt]

Lots of traitors had been given knighthoods. Prior to their treason, of course. And most of them were Tories!
It amazes me how people on here can say the things they do e.g. "slimy little runt"; "odius"; "cretin" and now traitor. I just wonder how much they really know about Bercow? If they read it in the papers and on TV, then it must be true, mustn't it? Gotta be!

[Peter Pedant]

hi Clarion
hppy ecksmas
I almost reported you for ---- telling the truth

as for ennobling Mouthy Farage for not opposing blah de balh - well he did ! ( oppose ) and lost the tories 20 seats, Farage - big mouthed twit !
do I get second best answer ?

[dannyk13]

10cs //If they read it in the papers and on TV, then it must be true, mustn't it? Gotta be!//
I got my opinion of him from watching him in action in the HOC.He ignored precedent and made his own rules in an attempt to frustrate Brexit.

[bhg481]

10ccs //some Tory MPs' failed to support their own PM. That was the cause. The Tories refuse to acknowledge that.//
You don't think that sacking a score of MPs and ensuring only people who supported Boris would be eligible to stand for election was acknowledging it, then?

[Khandro]

10 C. // I just wonder how much they really know about Bercow? If they read it in the papers and on TV, then it must be true, mustn't it? Gotta be!//

Yes there's a lot of that. So from where comes your specialist knowledge that we've all missed, about of this disgraceful travesty of an ex-speaker?

[ToraToraTora]

diddlydo 11:52 - didn't hurt did it!

[10ClarionSt]

I know just as much about him as probably most people. I also know that the reason for all the delays with Brexit was the failure of some Tory MP's to support their own PM. That is fact and cannot be denied by anyone.

[ToraToraTora]

10cs: "Call someone a slimy runt (@20.47) and be awarded best answer for it? !!!!!!!! " - be my guest......

[Theland]

Deviating a bit, but wonder why it takes so long to award gongs etc to some great people?
Norman Wisdom was quite old (?) when he got his.
I am 69 next month and still no word from the palace :-(

[ToraToraTora]

10cs: "I also know that the reason for all the delays with Brexit was the failure of some Tory MP's to support their own PM. That is fact and cannot be denied by anyone. " - indeed some Tories did join the VBQC as some labour MPs supported the government. None of the Tories are Tory MPs any more, dunno what Jezza did with his bad eggs.

[10ClarionSt]

Youve already done it, Tora me old China!

[ToraToraTora]

got mine, Sir TTT has a nice ring to it doesn't it?

[10ClarionSt]

For all of that, the failure of Brexit, pre election, was still the fault of rebel Tory MPs', not Bercow. He is being made the scapegoat. As I've said, I don't care whether he gets a peerage or not, but people need to wake up to the reality of it.

[ToraToraTora]

Bercow facilitated the VBQC from all sides, end of.

[10ClarionSt]

But he didn't cast any votes, as I recall.