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Brexit Disaster Looming
I hope you have all registered the Chancellor's words on alignment. He does not seem to understand that although Japan is not in EU their products have to meet EU rules to be admitted.
Poor wee Britain will be standing alone against USA, Europe, China, India and the rest with no trade agreements. Non alignment with the rules for goods will mean no EU trade for those goods. Other trade deals will take years.
The outcome will be the UK will be crushed. You were warned.
Poor wee Britain will be standing alone against USA, Europe, China, India and the rest with no trade agreements. Non alignment with the rules for goods will mean no EU trade for those goods. Other trade deals will take years.
The outcome will be the UK will be crushed. You were warned.
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//Togo, the wish south of the border for Scottish independence is so great that in 2014 an entire trainload of leaders was despatched north to promise anything/everything and plead for a NO vote.//
Haha I think Judge said it whilst I was having a bit of supper. Who the **** chose this trainload of "leaders"? Not the rank and file common sense, av it, n up yours mate, voter. Why......who else but our self appointed "leaders" and eternal ingratiating parasites.
Judge, my nostalgia goes back much further than that. I have not forgotten who it was that always tried to sell us out to our deadly adversaries on the mainland, all those years ago. They still do. Whilst dressing it up as a new and entirely reasonable attitude. Nope....not fooled here. The obliquity of the argument does not fool me. England has born the millstone burden of Scotland for long enough, time to shed it and allow ourselves to stride free once again.
Haha I think Judge said it whilst I was having a bit of supper. Who the **** chose this trainload of "leaders"? Not the rank and file common sense, av it, n up yours mate, voter. Why......who else but our self appointed "leaders" and eternal ingratiating parasites.
Judge, my nostalgia goes back much further than that. I have not forgotten who it was that always tried to sell us out to our deadly adversaries on the mainland, all those years ago. They still do. Whilst dressing it up as a new and entirely reasonable attitude. Nope....not fooled here. The obliquity of the argument does not fool me. England has born the millstone burden of Scotland for long enough, time to shed it and allow ourselves to stride free once again.
Scotland is part of the UK and is never ignored democratically, except in the minds who wish to believe that.
Any minority part of the UK can not push it's local wishes through against a majority view against them. It may be news to some, but that's how democracy works. Not some fantasy that if one's local area don't get their own way that they're being ignored.
It seems some only believe in democracy when it's getting them what they want; and like to claim it's undemocratic when they don't get what they want. That's a poor show.
Any minority part of the UK can not push it's local wishes through against a majority view against them. It may be news to some, but that's how democracy works. Not some fantasy that if one's local area don't get their own way that they're being ignored.
It seems some only believe in democracy when it's getting them what they want; and like to claim it's undemocratic when they don't get what they want. That's a poor show.
Old_Geezer, certainly minority parts of the UK can't expect to boss the majority around to gain their aims - that is exactly why one minority part of the UK may decide to leave the UK. At that point the dissatisfaction is defused which, as I have said elsewhere, is in my opinion going to be good for both sides and ensure harmonious future relations across the (perhaps EU) border.
In June 2016 every man and woman aged 18 or over had the right (obligation?) to go into the Polling booth and put a cross in a box answering the question as to whether they (without regard to their family, friends or neighbours) wished to see the UK remain in the EU, or leave.
Once the votes were counted (although that was done and the number count declared along the lines of a General Election) the majority...... that's 'majority' of individuals who voted has chosen that we leave.
It's stupidly and pointlessly revisionist to try to rewind or look at the result along National Demographics, etc.
Instead of sitting arms folded and grumbling and relishing the opportunity to "I-told-you-so", why not roll up your sleeves and make a positive contribution to this historic breakaway succeeding?
Once the votes were counted (although that was done and the number count declared along the lines of a General Election) the majority...... that's 'majority' of individuals who voted has chosen that we leave.
It's stupidly and pointlessly revisionist to try to rewind or look at the result along National Demographics, etc.
Instead of sitting arms folded and grumbling and relishing the opportunity to "I-told-you-so", why not roll up your sleeves and make a positive contribution to this historic breakaway succeeding?
The problem is, OG, that there is a generation (and a half, possibly) that is used to having its own way and the notion that they cannot have what they want is total anathema to them. They don't seem to understand that, under democratic principles, there will be lots of occasions when they cannot have their own way. Their reaction when this is realised varies, but is becoming increasingly bizarre. The reactions of some people (Gina Miller was "physically sick" following the result, others have been said to be "crying themselves to sleep and still crying when they wake up") takes some believing but I can believe it. So used are many people to having their own way that the thought of them not so doing may well result in such extreme reactions.
Hopefully they will develop more robust reactions to disappointment. But it cannot be guaranteed.
Hopefully they will develop more robust reactions to disappointment. But it cannot be guaranteed.
Actually, Karl, we managed to hire 1/3 of an allotment last year. It had been neglected, so not hugely productive this year, but we are still pulling carrots and parsnips..... should we relocate to the Gardening section? :) This year we should be almost self-sufficient and chipping-in to village produce sales.
It really does get boring having to restate the truth that is self evident that Scotland is a nation not a region of England and that the treaty of union created the UK as a partnership of equals. There was no intention to create a situation where the entitled assumed an ownership of nor rule over the other. Scotland has a parliament which voted to ensure that the people of Scotland determined how the country was governed now and in the future and this includes the impact of Brexit which was the subject of the original post.
//Scotland is a nation not a region of England...//
No, it certainly isn't a region of England. But it's also not a sovereign state. It is a constituent part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain (of which Scotland is an integral part) and Northern Ireland. Nobody is suggesting that any part has assumed an ownership or rule over the other.
//Scotland has a parliament which voted to ensure that the people of Scotland determined how the country was governed now and in the future and this includes the impact of Brexit which was the subject of the original post//
Alas the ridiculous devolution facilities granted by the Blair government do not stretch to Scotland making its own constitutional arrangements. Just what are you suggesting should happen as a result of 1.66m people in Scotland voting to remain? Are you suggesting that their votes should somehow override those of the 17.4m across the UK who voted to leave? It's very unfortunate that these truths are becoming somewhat boring. But you are where you are. You win some, you lose some. As I pointed out earlier, you can't always get what you want.
No, it certainly isn't a region of England. But it's also not a sovereign state. It is a constituent part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain (of which Scotland is an integral part) and Northern Ireland. Nobody is suggesting that any part has assumed an ownership or rule over the other.
//Scotland has a parliament which voted to ensure that the people of Scotland determined how the country was governed now and in the future and this includes the impact of Brexit which was the subject of the original post//
Alas the ridiculous devolution facilities granted by the Blair government do not stretch to Scotland making its own constitutional arrangements. Just what are you suggesting should happen as a result of 1.66m people in Scotland voting to remain? Are you suggesting that their votes should somehow override those of the 17.4m across the UK who voted to leave? It's very unfortunate that these truths are becoming somewhat boring. But you are where you are. You win some, you lose some. As I pointed out earlier, you can't always get what you want.
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