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Coronavirus In The Us
On its current trajectory, the US will record more confirmed cases than China by Friday, and should pass around 1000 total deaths from Covid-19 at around the same time. Some of this is down to aggressive testing and processing, so that older cases are finally showing up, but the more people who had it the further the disease can spread, and the worse this problem will be. Therefore there is little doubt that in or around April, the US, or at least many of its states, will be in a far worse position than the UK, and it is likely to stay that way for a while yet.
The appropriate response to this would be to implement measures similar to those in Europe and the UK. That's the only way to get on top of the health crisis.
And yet, all the signs are that Trump is likely to want to open the country up at the end of its current "15 days to stop the spread" programme, to put the economy ahead of the health risk. Despite the words of Pence et al, it's not clear that this is working, because, as we've seen in the UK, not everybody will cooperate with voluntary measures to isolate.
What is he playing at, then?! This is putting his citizens' lives at risk. Can he be serious, or is this merely hopeful optimism that will be tempered ultimately by events?
This isn't an opinion that comes from just the guy who obviously would say that. The article below, which says more or less the same thing, is written by a guy who counts among Trump's friends, who has defended him at many points through his presidency, and who even got a Christmas card from Trump.
Is this a risk worth taking, to put the economy ahead of lives? If so, then why not here?
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The appropriate response to this would be to implement measures similar to those in Europe and the UK. That's the only way to get on top of the health crisis.
And yet, all the signs are that Trump is likely to want to open the country up at the end of its current "15 days to stop the spread" programme, to put the economy ahead of the health risk. Despite the words of Pence et al, it's not clear that this is working, because, as we've seen in the UK, not everybody will cooperate with voluntary measures to isolate.
What is he playing at, then?! This is putting his citizens' lives at risk. Can he be serious, or is this merely hopeful optimism that will be tempered ultimately by events?
This isn't an opinion that comes from just the guy who obviously would say that. The article below, which says more or less the same thing, is written by a guy who counts among Trump's friends, who has defended him at many points through his presidency, and who even got a Christmas card from Trump.
Is this a risk worth taking, to put the economy ahead of lives? If so, then why not here?
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think of america, what about india's poor or africa, i imagine a few million will die, but each countries authorities will probably hush it up so as not to create a panic and cause riots, i think it's like pushing the tide with a broom...it's going to happen, unless there's a vaccine or cure.. i wonder how many old and poor people there are in the countries i mentioned above, and there chances of survival.
Quite. In Africa at the moment, cases are thankfully few, but is also following an exponential trajectory right now with approximately a 4-day doubling period.
It's a major health crisis across the world, and requires the world to coordinate approaches. If the US or any other country chose to open up and allow the disease to spread around, then it has knock-on effects everywhere else. That's why it's so troubling to see the talk of re-opening prematurely.
It's a major health crisis across the world, and requires the world to coordinate approaches. If the US or any other country chose to open up and allow the disease to spread around, then it has knock-on effects everywhere else. That's why it's so troubling to see the talk of re-opening prematurely.
One impression is that several countries have started with wishful thinking based on something akin to "Nothing serious is going to happen, not to us" (China) and then "Foreigners have problems in their country, we are (better/invincible) not going to let this get out of hand" (several others, including the UK), zero learning until the proverbial hits the fan. In the case of the USA all of this appears to have been the thinking right at the top, and additionally there is the structure of the country/societyand and an election on the doorstep. The stock market, "business", feel-good factor, no sick pay, impending poverty, etc. among the electorate and national interest groups are all things that at this point in time weigh heavily. This particular president shows signs of unstable decision making, almost as if he tosses a coin before choosing what to say. At first it was jaw dropping, now nothing is a surprise, but this particular crisis is extremely worrying to so many others. He does not want a crisis and pretends it doesn't exist and he intends not to allow it to exist.
Just a few weeks ago POTUS had it all under control...
// we have 15 cases, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done. //
OK, with hindsight that was very dumb.
During the void of any clear leadership from the President, many State Governors have imposed a lockdown similar to the UK and the rest of the world.
But just an hour ago Trump indicated that
// "I would love to have the country opened up and just raring to go by Easter," Trump said during a Fox News town-hall event at the White House. //
The 15 Virus cases soon became 40,000, and the US will not be raring to go in a fortnight. The US will probably be the worst hit than every other country due to the mistakes an inactivity of just one man.
// we have 15 cases, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done. //
OK, with hindsight that was very dumb.
During the void of any clear leadership from the President, many State Governors have imposed a lockdown similar to the UK and the rest of the world.
But just an hour ago Trump indicated that
// "I would love to have the country opened up and just raring to go by Easter," Trump said during a Fox News town-hall event at the White House. //
The 15 Virus cases soon became 40,000, and the US will not be raring to go in a fortnight. The US will probably be the worst hit than every other country due to the mistakes an inactivity of just one man.
I'd love to have the UK over the worst in a fortnight, who wouldn't?
Governors aren't making decisions because of ineffectual leadership, that's how things work over there. When Trump declares martial law or starts overruling Governors, you and your thick know-nothing mates will be calling him a fascist dictator. You can take that to the bank.
Governors aren't making decisions because of ineffectual leadership, that's how things work over there. When Trump declares martial law or starts overruling Governors, you and your thick know-nothing mates will be calling him a fascist dictator. You can take that to the bank.
Tell yourself that if you like, spicey, but I very deliberately addressed that by pointing out that some of the harshest criticism is voiced by one of his strongest advocates.
If Trump institutes a lockdown it will have come far too late. It's a fair point that some of the response is down to the governors, and they, too, are being caught flatfooted. Some more than others. It was shocking to see, for example, that the Texan Lt. Gov was happily suggesting that the vulnerable would rather risk their lives than risk the economy.
If Trump institutes a lockdown it will have come far too late. It's a fair point that some of the response is down to the governors, and they, too, are being caught flatfooted. Some more than others. It was shocking to see, for example, that the Texan Lt. Gov was happily suggesting that the vulnerable would rather risk their lives than risk the economy.
Depends on which source you read. The legislation drafted by the Republicans was apparently skewed towards big businesses rather than the average workers. Whether that's true or not I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me if the Republicans, even if trying to do the right thing, weren't going far enough.
Worth noting that Trump was commending everyone in Congress for their efforts to reach agreement, though. He made a particular point of stressing that.
"I also want to thank Congress because whether or not we’re happy that they haven’t quite gotten there yet, they have been working the long hours. I’m talking Republicans and Democrats, all of them, the House, the Senate."
Interesting to compare with the UK: although, to be sure, Opposition in the UK wouldn't have had much choice anyway, it's still been heartening to see that they've worked with the government to rush necessary legislation through rather than look for disagreement.
Worth noting that Trump was commending everyone in Congress for their efforts to reach agreement, though. He made a particular point of stressing that.
"I also want to thank Congress because whether or not we’re happy that they haven’t quite gotten there yet, they have been working the long hours. I’m talking Republicans and Democrats, all of them, the House, the Senate."
Interesting to compare with the UK: although, to be sure, Opposition in the UK wouldn't have had much choice anyway, it's still been heartening to see that they've worked with the government to rush necessary legislation through rather than look for disagreement.
I have no idea how accurate these numbers are, but if they are anything like accurate the US looks in far better shape than a lot of other countries in terms of new cases. Worst of all is here in Spain!
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NickorWan, I'm not sure "number of cases" is the ideal statistic as it depends on size of population and date of first infection. But the moving graphic near the top of this page is interesting
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