Still Dancing Round The Truth

[teacake44]

Matt Hancock still standing there tonight insisting that they have plenty of PPE, and even after nearly four weeks STILL saying its a logistical problem, how difficult can it be to get a box of PPE from A TO B with twenty thousand army personal ( drivers).
A top consultant on BBC news tonight has said its like going into battle with no armour. But I'm sure they will be some on here who will believe Matt apposed to a front line consultant. Its not the public that are putting NHS staff in danger, but their government, be sure of that. Four weeks of excuses and loss of the lives of NHS workers for no reason.

[sherrardk]

Coronavirus is responsible is for the deaths.

[teacake44]

ff Its not what I say, its what good honest nurses and doctors are saying when they are interviewed, and they've been saying it for 4 weeks now.

[naomi24]

These moaning, negative posts make no sense at all. Reading any of them one could be forgiven for thinking the government don’t care if people die or that our hospitals are struggling to cope with the enormity of what they’re dealing with, but why would they take that attitude? To what benefit and to what end? For obvious reasons it’s in the best interests of the country that the government deals with this nightmare as quickly and as efficiently as possible and they are well aware of that. This is potty!

[Theland]

Yes but they should be truthful and admit mistakes.
Look at Operation Sigmus which was not published because it embarrassed the Theresa May government.

[Theland]

Moaning? No sense?
Speechless.

[teacake44]

15.04, yes your right the coronavirus killed them, but unnecessarily, they didn't have the armour to protect them, unlike a soldier that goes to war with a bullet proof vest, head gear and all the rest you care to name, billions and billions spent by the M.O.D every year.

[sherrardk]

And your solution is?

[dannyk13]

TC //soldier that goes to war with a bullet proof vest,//
You have been watching too many American films.British soldiers do not get issued with bullet-proof vests.

[Theland]

Solution begins with the truth.

[jim360]

The suggestion that the Government doesn't care is certainly disgusting. Even if it were ever briefly true, which I doubt, then it will certainly have disappeared once the illness made it all the way to the top of the Government. Professionally and personally it's clear that will have brought home the scale of the threat to those at the heart of responding to this crisis.

This is, however, not the same as suggesting that the response hasn't been adequate, either in being too slow to make the preparations, or too slow to roll out large-scale testing, or too slow to provide adequate stocks of PPE. The failure of response hasn't been confined to the UK -- only a very few countries can be said to have responded "well" to this -- but no Government can be above criticism, especially at a time like this when lives are at stake. One of the Doctors who was first to suggest there was a problem with PPE supply has already died ( https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-52242516 ), many other frontline NHS staff are suggesting that there are still shortages today, and even if you accept that the Government has the best of intentions it's still vital to ensure that mistakes in the approach, if and when they exist, are addressed.

[Theland]

Danny, you are not stupid, you know the point being made.

[naomi24]

Theland, Speechless? Good. Perhaps that'll give you time to look at other countries that are also experiencing difficulty in obtaining the required equipment.

//EU countries have reported shortages of ventilators, personal protective equipment and testing kits - especially in Italy, Spain, the Netherlands and France where there are very high coronavirus patient loads requiring intensive care.//

https://euobserver.com/coronavirus/147958

This stuff is in high demand internationally but unfortunately no one appears to possess a magic wand.

[dannyk13]

Theland , I expect the OP to get his facts right.

[naomi24]

^That also for anyone else who thinks equipment can be conjured up out of thin air!

[Theland]

Naomi, I am not ignoring the immense challenges, but not the lies.

[teacake44]

Its the normal group that just want to have a daily snipe, and find it really hard to admit their wrong, unless its their post.

[Theland]

The and, speechless? Good.

Truth hurts, shoot the messenger.

[naomi24]

Theland, if anyone is lying - and I don’t know if they are - I have no doubt that it’s done with the best intentions - to allay fear and maintain calm. The government really do want the best for the country - that stands to reason - and in my opinion they’re doing their very best in the most horrendous circumstances. I only wish the whole country would get behind them and give them the support they need - and deserve.

[naomi24]

Don't start with the victimhood again, Theland. No one has shot you.

[Theland]

NHS relationship with political leaders is mindful of the First World War, '' Lions led by donkeys.''