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no doubt it will be filled with a load of TROB hand wringers. Does the Mayor's office have this power? Will they also be taking down statues to Terrorists? EG: https:/
no doubt it will be filled with a load of TROB hand wringers. Does the Mayor's office have this power? Will they also be taking down statues to Terrorists? EG: https:/
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jim360 - // There is a clear gulf between statues celebrating people who, perhaps, should not be so celebrated, and between the buildings their ill-gotten gains have provided. // Actually, there isn't, quite the opposite in fact. If you start analysing philanthropy based on the income source, where on earth do you stop? Are you going to say that millowners...
16:35 Tue 09th Jun 2020
Oh yes, and the other flaw (well, one of the many other flaws) is in conflating statues on the street with history. I've learned more about Colston in the last 24 hours by reading books and internet resources than I would have ever learned from looking at his statue. It is plain and simply a nonsense to suggest that history is so fragile that it can be permanently expunged in just a few minutes. This isn't a book burning. Museums about Slavery are not going to be destroyed.
// Just because a statue erected two hundred years ago does not reflect modern attitudes is no reason to destroy it. Rather, it should be relocated in a museum as part of an exhibition in social history, with appropriate context to show how it came to be made and erected. //
On this, though, I will agree. I don't claim to be particularly upset that Colston's statue is at the bottom of a canal or whatever, but I will at least agree that it would have been significantly better had it been removed with the consent and agreement of the city as a whole, and preserved in a Museum somewhere. It may yet be: I doubt the Council will want to move too fast, but I've no doubt it will be retrieved at some point.
On this, though, I will agree. I don't claim to be particularly upset that Colston's statue is at the bottom of a canal or whatever, but I will at least agree that it would have been significantly better had it been removed with the consent and agreement of the city as a whole, and preserved in a Museum somewhere. It may yet be: I doubt the Council will want to move too fast, but I've no doubt it will be retrieved at some point.
jim - // The answer to the question "where we stop" is quite simple: we stop once we are open and honest about our history, and when doing so isn't seen as some sort of affront to society. //
That is changing the question entirely.
My question 'Where do we stop?' is clearly addressed to the current fad of simply tearing down something that is historically uncomfortable, and I have already explained the flaws in that perception.
Your 'where do we stop' is meaningless because you do not indicate what we have 'started'.
Statues are a visual symbol of the distinction between the two.
That is changing the question entirely.
My question 'Where do we stop?' is clearly addressed to the current fad of simply tearing down something that is historically uncomfortable, and I have already explained the flaws in that perception.
Your 'where do we stop' is meaningless because you do not indicate what we have 'started'.
Statues are a visual symbol of the distinction between the two.
jim - // It is plain and simply a nonsense to suggest that history is so fragile that it can be permanently expunged in just a few minutes. This isn't a book burning. Museums about Slavery are not going to be destroyed. //
It is - any idea who is suggesting that? It certainly isn't me.
It's not the action of destruction, although that is bad enough, it is the lumpen stupidity of the thinking behind that is the issue.
And just because museums are going to stay (we hope!) is no reason to give a slide to the wanton vandalism of statues, it's simply not acceptable, even if the motivation was valid and laudable, and to anyone with an ounce of intelligence, it is clearly neither!
It is - any idea who is suggesting that? It certainly isn't me.
It's not the action of destruction, although that is bad enough, it is the lumpen stupidity of the thinking behind that is the issue.
And just because museums are going to stay (we hope!) is no reason to give a slide to the wanton vandalism of statues, it's simply not acceptable, even if the motivation was valid and laudable, and to anyone with an ounce of intelligence, it is clearly neither!
// gawd elp us, what did Drake do?//
gawd elp us, Drake enslaved people TTT
Elizabeth Barrett Browning must be on the list
// The father wrote to Jamaica (SD79) and suggested a holiday for the plantation slaves. There is no evidence of any similar suggestion in the previous year when EBB was born.//
I bet none of you proles knew that the awful old paterfamilias ( he's the one who told Octavius to have EBB's dog Flush put down when EBB eloped) had plantations in Jamaica ?
he was compensated when slavery ended ( govt bought them all).
foo gawd elp us - he moved to Wimpole street ? where he starred in the film with Charles Laughton ( Barretts of Wimpole St.) ?
No he bought Hope End first. [near Ledbury]
foo dat!
gawd elp us, Drake enslaved people TTT
Elizabeth Barrett Browning must be on the list
// The father wrote to Jamaica (SD79) and suggested a holiday for the plantation slaves. There is no evidence of any similar suggestion in the previous year when EBB was born.//
I bet none of you proles knew that the awful old paterfamilias ( he's the one who told Octavius to have EBB's dog Flush put down when EBB eloped) had plantations in Jamaica ?
he was compensated when slavery ended ( govt bought them all).
foo gawd elp us - he moved to Wimpole street ? where he starred in the film with Charles Laughton ( Barretts of Wimpole St.) ?
No he bought Hope End first. [near Ledbury]
foo dat!
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