Grenfell: Institutional Racism A Factor In The Fire

[EdmundD]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53320082

I thought it was the cladding......

[david small]

They’re playing us for fools. And we are fools for letting them play.

[Atheist]

I see no sympathy or empathy, from many ABers here, for the poor souls who lost their lives in this terrible blaze. Can't people leave their political views to one side and try to seek justice for the victims? How would you feel if your gran was in that building?

[Spicerack]

Surprised.
Everyone knows, atheist, it's the revolting left who can't let any tragedy go by without trying to make political capital out of it.
This one being a case in point.

[ToraToraTora]

athiest: "I see no sympathy or empathy, from many ABers here, for the poor souls who lost their lives in this terrible blaze. Can't people leave their political views to one side and try to seek justice for the victims? How would you feel if your gran was in that building? " - irrelevant to this post. we are addressing the claim that the fire was somehow racist.

[sanmac]

Atheist, this is an official inquiry into a tragic event which claimed numerous lives, and in these types of inquires, including Coroners' Inquests, emotions are not allowed to take part in the proceedings. They are proceedings in which the only relevant matters are "facts" as to what happened, and how it happened in order to perhaps help prevent such a situation to reoccur. The gist of this post was to point out the claim being put forth that racism was a cause of this fire, and most of the threads in it are really skeptical of this viewpoint.

[Mozz71]

Can it be that mistakes were made, not by the firefighters, but by the fire chiefs (advising residents early to stay put so I recall) were just that, mistakes. Could it be that cheap cladding was used and not replaced because of the costcutting and penny pinching of the constructors.

The former was regrettable and the latter deplorable, but neither of them racially motivated.

Anyone who saw the looks on the faces of rhe firefighters coming from the building, the haunted, traumatised looks on their faces at what they'd just seen will think twice about trying to pin the blame on those poor heroes.

[AZardoz]

Well said, Mozz71.

[Peter Pedant]

well I am not surprised quite honestly ( give a dog a bad name )
seeing the council pack up shop on that Friday
and say to the homeless residents " o homeless are you well come on Monday and we will redirect you to the housing association that we have off loaded it to. we;re of home ! "

are the two connected - well yeah I think they are

the other buggaboo ? holding a council meeting on council time and money on the subject of:
we are getting a terrible press out there - who can we pay to scrub our image?

winkers and tassers all of them

[Peter Pedant]

well what do you expect them to spend council money on?
er - decent cladding?

[Peter Pedant]

yeah whiten our image
or whitewash the cack up ?

cue for BLM to march on and blaaart !

[ToraToraTora]

one thing I will blame the FB/Building regulators etc for is approving the cladding.

[youngmafbog]

Cladding which is still on there buildings it would seem.

This claim is of course nonsense and it undermines the 'people of colour' who genuinely just want to be treated equal and nothing else (The vast majority I suspect).

[Old_Geezer]

It's raining again out there. Clearly it's linked to institutional racism :-(

(Just got to work out some tenuous links to try to back it up.)

[ToraToraTora]

well fire is racist OG why on all the other ancient elements?

[Peter Pedant]

// Cladding which is still on there buildings it would seem.
This claim is of course nonsense//
.
well thank god for that ! - - because
"Three years on from the Grenfell Tower disaster there are still thousands of homeowners living in buildings with some form of dangerous cladding.12 Jun 2020"

more complete crap from answerbank
the wrong answer you may be sure !

[Peter Pedant]

there are times when I wonder if the far-right can read.

[ yeah but not well]

[douglas9401]

That's institutional rainism, OG, not the same thing at all.

[fiction-factory]

PP- I think you misread youngmafbog's post.

The "This claim is of course nonsense" is from a different paragraph and refers to the claim that there was institutional racism.

[New Judge]

//How would you feel if your gran was in that building?//

There would have been very little chance of my gran being allocated a flat in that area.

[ynnafymmi]

@09.23.Im from NE Scotland and have very rarely been in London.Why would your gran not be allocated a flat at Grenfell Tower.Serious question.