Iran Have Bee Caught Out Blatantly Lying About Their Covid Figures

[johnny.5]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-53598965
who else?

[waterboatman]

That doesn't surprise me one little bit.

[johnny.5]

maybe not a surprise but how many other countries have lied about the true figures?

[davebro]

I suspected that wasp the case!

[Gromit]

UK.

[waterboatman]

If figures were available I think you'd find just about every country tells porkies.

[youngmafbog]

Yes Gromit, get your UK bashing in.

All Countries count differently. IT's also interesting to see how they refer to 'died with covid symptoms' in this article.

[LadyCG]

Iran guilty of subterfuge? Well I never!

[Old_Geezer]

I thought we all knew that the UK lied. Pushing the figure up by including all deaths where Covid was detected as being Covid deaths. (I think they wanted to be No.1 in the world.)

[youngmafbog]

does seem to be that way OG.

Personally I dont think any figures are much use at the moment, methods of reporting keep changing and methods in each country is different. As I have been saying for months I dont think we will know until a full and proper analysis has been done after the event. And that could be a couple of years to get to the bottom of all the nuances.

[ichkeria]

Who else?
Turkmenistan next door hasn’t had any deaths at all.
Or indeed any cases.
Only a mysterious infestation of dust necessitating the wearing of masks.

[webbo3]

\\The government's own records appear to show almost 42,000 people died with Covid-19 symptoms up to 20 July, versus 14,405 reported by its health ministry.//

Covid-19 symptons, so it could have been the flu?

[gulliver1]

The UK has the highest Covid, death rate in Europe, that's no lie.

[Hopkirk]

Nobody has mentioned China yet, and I don't think Russia is capable of telling the truth.

[retrocop]

Avatar Image gulliver1
//The UK has the highest Covid, death rate in Europe, that's no lie. //

Only if we can verify that the rest of Europe isn't massaging their stats as well !

[webbo3]

gulliver.

\\The UK has the highest Covid, death rate in Europe, that's no lie.//

No they don't, other countries record deaths differently, Germany separate the deaths, those who have died FROM Covid-19 and those who have died WITH Covid-19, we have lumped all of ours together.

[gulliver1]

Well if its not a lie , it is true then. Ok

[Gromit]

// I thought we all knew that the UK lied. Pushing the figure up by including all deaths where Covid was detected as being Covid deaths. (I think they wanted to be No.1 in the world.) //

Say a lie often enough and people will start to believe it.
The first couple of months of Covid, the Government manipulated the figures. It admitted to 17,000 deaths when 41,000 had occurred.

https://www.ft.com/content/67e6a4ee-3d05-43bc-ba03-e239799fa6ab

Deaths attributed to Dementia are 80% higher than normal, with the majority dying in care homes.

[jim360]

I simply don't accept Gromit's interpretation that the UK has "lied" about its figures. Not least because the "lie", such as it was, has been exposed by the UK's own figures. The Government was clear that it was counting initially only deaths in hospitals among confirmed cases, and, as a result, was clear that it was under-counting. Later this count expanded to include care home deaths, and later still expanded, I believe, to include deaths in all settings. It's possible I have got the sequence of events wrong, but what is true throughout is that the Government's data sources have been made clear throughout.

The lie from Iran is far more serious because, if the reports are true, then the Iranian Government has had an alternative set of data all along that it has been suppressing. We already knew this -- it was notable, for example, that the all-cause mortality from the early part of the year was released far later than was apparently usual. Accusing the UK Government of lying in the same way is inaccurate; it is quite simply a false equivalence.

[fiction-factory]

>The UK has the highest Covid, death rate in Europe, that's no lie.



If not a lie, maybe it was just a typo. Or a misreading of the data. Or you were referring to some other statistic rather than the Worldometers data. We are certainly high up but are below Belgium (and San Marino). Spain is doing slightly better based on Worldometer figures but they count them differently so when the final counts are out (excess deaths) we'll see a clearer picture

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[Baldric]

This is the latest Buzz on the streets is it?