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What Can Be Done About Twitface?
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I think the Home sec has done the right thing in condemning this awful abuse and supporting Mr Lammy but surely this cesspit needs a rocket up it's April.
I think the Home sec has done the right thing in condemning this awful abuse and supporting Mr Lammy but surely this cesspit needs a rocket up it's April.
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ck1 - // So antisemitism
11:26 Wed 05th Aug 2020
Your Church analogy would be valid if you turned up and were actively made to feel unwelcome by either being ignored, or by being insulted to their face. And, as I was trying to say, the line "people need to take responsibility for themselves" ought to apply to those spreading the abuse first -- or at the very least alongside. Why should we tolerate people being nasty rather than strive for better standards of respect and behaviour?
Again, I'm not saying there's any harm in that approach, but since such a Church has a self-defeating attitude anyway, what's wrong with trying to encourage them to be more welcoming? Such a Church would need to change to survive, or its survival would be worthless. Which leaves the same question as before. Why should we tolerate people being nasty rather than strive for better standards of respect and behaviour?
APG - Your stance is clearly based on your strong personality, and the fact that personal abuse does not appear to upset you.
That is all fine and good, but not everyone has that approach, and nor should they - vive le difference.
On that basis, people who are upset and / or offended, have a right to some level of protection because a free-for-all does not really benefit anyone in the long run.
As far as AB goes, it is run and offered as a family site, and young children can and do access it, and on that basis, the more 'robust' language and observations may be deleted by Moderators.
Of course the Moderation system is not perfect, no system is - but it enables the AB to function for its purpose, which it has been doing very nicely, and well before Twitface was a gleam in its inventor's eye.
The rapid rise in social media has meant a corresponding rise in its misuse and I don;t believe that answer to anonymous abuse is either to put up or shut up, as you appear to offer.
I can only speak for the AB, and I am perfectly happy to be subject to the same moderation as everyone else on here (contrary to the persistent belief to the contrary of a notable few!!) - I believe it enables the site to function correctly.
As the site approaches its twentieth birthday, it has to be doing something right - a moderated Q & A site would appear to suit a lot of people like me, who would not venture onto Twitface for a gold pig.
That is all fine and good, but not everyone has that approach, and nor should they - vive le difference.
On that basis, people who are upset and / or offended, have a right to some level of protection because a free-for-all does not really benefit anyone in the long run.
As far as AB goes, it is run and offered as a family site, and young children can and do access it, and on that basis, the more 'robust' language and observations may be deleted by Moderators.
Of course the Moderation system is not perfect, no system is - but it enables the AB to function for its purpose, which it has been doing very nicely, and well before Twitface was a gleam in its inventor's eye.
The rapid rise in social media has meant a corresponding rise in its misuse and I don;t believe that answer to anonymous abuse is either to put up or shut up, as you appear to offer.
I can only speak for the AB, and I am perfectly happy to be subject to the same moderation as everyone else on here (contrary to the persistent belief to the contrary of a notable few!!) - I believe it enables the site to function correctly.
As the site approaches its twentieth birthday, it has to be doing something right - a moderated Q & A site would appear to suit a lot of people like me, who would not venture onto Twitface for a gold pig.
The 'put up or shut up' attitude is wrong and unfair. Why should anyone have to avoid forums because they have become a victim of abuse?
The only forum I use besides AB is FB. I use it mainly to talk to my family and friends but I do have a read through what others have posted, I follow some news sources and some interesting sites. That's it.
The only forum I use besides AB is FB. I use it mainly to talk to my family and friends but I do have a read through what others have posted, I follow some news sources and some interesting sites. That's it.
I think APG does have a point though. The problem is the definition of 'abuse'. This can and does vary from person to person and if you take the extremes of both ends you either end up with vile, nasty threats at one end or 'gentle' people thinking they are abused because they dont like the fact someone says their post is rubbish. You also open the door to the cancel culture - as I have seen on here occasionally.
Bottom line is, if you are of the gentler nature then life is going to be cruel. One just has to toughen up.
Bottom line is, if you are of the gentler nature then life is going to be cruel. One just has to toughen up.
// what's wrong with trying to encourage them to be more welcoming? Such a Church would need to change to survive, or its survival would be worthless. //
I don't see it like that Jim. The people who go to that church might really like going, to vent their spleen and not have to put up with the eternally outraged or snowflakes. Someone coming in to try and change their attitudes is, in my opinion, wrong. Let them find a nice gentille church where everyone is welcoming.
If they then find a nice gentille little church full of retired teachers and curtain twitchrers and are very happy, someone tries to come into the church, guns and foul mouth ablaze -then they have the right to ask them to leave. If the foul mouthed abusive villain then demands they change their ways and grow up, that is just as unacceptable as the first example.
I don't see it like that Jim. The people who go to that church might really like going, to vent their spleen and not have to put up with the eternally outraged or snowflakes. Someone coming in to try and change their attitudes is, in my opinion, wrong. Let them find a nice gentille church where everyone is welcoming.
If they then find a nice gentille little church full of retired teachers and curtain twitchrers and are very happy, someone tries to come into the church, guns and foul mouth ablaze -then they have the right to ask them to leave. If the foul mouthed abusive villain then demands they change their ways and grow up, that is just as unacceptable as the first example.
YMB - // Bottom line is, if you are of the gentler nature then life is going to be cruel. One just has to toughen up. //
I can't agree.
Life should not be cruel simply to accomodate what I believe to be a minority who have thick skins and thicker minds.
If you insist that everyone 'toughens up', all you get is a society where everyone is exhausted from trying to prove to everyone else that they are tougher than the rest - and who wants to live in a world like that?
It's the thin end of a wedge, and it appeals to the worst aspects of human nature, allowing bullies to be justified and obviously increase their level of bullying because now, 'being tough' is a competition, and proof needs to be offered all day every day.
No thanks.
I can't agree.
Life should not be cruel simply to accomodate what I believe to be a minority who have thick skins and thicker minds.
If you insist that everyone 'toughens up', all you get is a society where everyone is exhausted from trying to prove to everyone else that they are tougher than the rest - and who wants to live in a world like that?
It's the thin end of a wedge, and it appeals to the worst aspects of human nature, allowing bullies to be justified and obviously increase their level of bullying because now, 'being tough' is a competition, and proof needs to be offered all day every day.
No thanks.
APG - // // what's wrong with trying to encourage them to be more welcoming? Such a Church would need to change to survive, or its survival would be worthless. //
I don't see it like that Jim. The people who go to that church might really like going, to vent their spleen and not have to put up with the eternally outraged or snowflakes. Someone coming in to try and change their attitudes is, in my opinion, wrong. Let them find a nice gentille church where everyone is welcoming.
If they then find a nice gentille little church full of retired teachers and curtain twitchrers and are very happy, someone tries to come into the church, guns and foul mouth ablaze -then they have the right to ask them to leave. If the foul mouthed abusive villain then demands they change their ways and grow up, that is just as unacceptable as the first example. //
Does your argument consist of concocting ever more bizarre and extreme scenarios which fail to underpin the point you are making?
I don't see it like that Jim. The people who go to that church might really like going, to vent their spleen and not have to put up with the eternally outraged or snowflakes. Someone coming in to try and change their attitudes is, in my opinion, wrong. Let them find a nice gentille church where everyone is welcoming.
If they then find a nice gentille little church full of retired teachers and curtain twitchrers and are very happy, someone tries to come into the church, guns and foul mouth ablaze -then they have the right to ask them to leave. If the foul mouthed abusive villain then demands they change their ways and grow up, that is just as unacceptable as the first example. //
Does your argument consist of concocting ever more bizarre and extreme scenarios which fail to underpin the point you are making?
andy-hughes //Does your argument consist of concocting ever more bizarre and extreme scenarios which fail to underpin the point you are making?//
No my argument is simple. One rule for all. Put up, shut up, or be shut up. If you don't like the ambience of a particular platform don't try and change it; put up or go somewhere else.
No my argument is simple. One rule for all. Put up, shut up, or be shut up. If you don't like the ambience of a particular platform don't try and change it; put up or go somewhere else.
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