Cv-19. Oldham, Bolton.......................

[10ClarionSt]

...........Blackburn, Leicester, Bradford are all setting the example of how to deal with Coronavirus - just get on with it as normal. Death rates in these areas are no worse than anywhere else. This is for Oldham.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19bylocalareasanddeprivation/deathsoccurringbetween1marchand31july2020#local-authorities

The govts' scare tactics have shifted in recent weeks. We were constantly told how many people had died, but that seems futile when the number of deaths is dropping all the time, so they switch the "info" to the number of infections! That's better! Thousands of infections sounds far worse than a handful deaths! That should frighten everybody! What those areas above are doing is what we will all be doing soon enough - learning to live with it.

But what has been learned so far? The trend would seem to indicate that we are heading for "herd immunity", ie a lot fewer deaths but more infections. The chap next door but one to me went into hospital in late March for a triple heart bypass. If anyone was at risk, he was. He had his op and two days into recovery, tested positive for CV-19. He was sent home after 10 days and told to self-isolate. Brilliant! What else would he do just days after a triple heart by pass? Anyway, he has now recovered from CV-19 and goes for short walks. How many of these "celebreties" have recovered after testing positive? Remember Djokovic months ago? He played in the US Open this week. What about all these footballers we keep hearing about who've tested positive? They all seeem to have recovered don't they? It's herd immunity folks!

I've no doubt that all the Johnson sychophants on here will want things to carry on. "yes Mr. Johnson", "no Mr.johnson", "absolutely Mr. Johnson", "definitely, Mr Johnson" "oh, certainly Mr. Johnson". :o)

Johnson has done more harm to the economy of this country in six months than six years of WW2 did. But we'll carry on anyway. Churchill would have, wouldn't he? Keep Calm And Carry On Scaremongering!

[New Judge]

//You haven't seen the hospital admissions and deaths data in Spain and France, or Belgium.//

I’ve had a look at the deaths in Spain: July – 12 per day; August – 21 per day; September (to 8th) – 62 per day. For the two weeks either side of April 1st deaths were over 700 per day. The daily new infections in April were 7,500 to 8,000. Towards the end of August they were very similar to that number. Thus there is now an incredibly low death rate compared to new infections and we are looking at a very different ball game to six months ago.

The government and the population need to understand that this virus will spread. It doesn’t matter what they do (bar confining every person to their home 24/7) it will spread. Continually adjusting futile attempts to prevent that simply causes continuing damage to the economy and society. As Prof. Whitty demonstrated yesterday the vast majority of new infections are among people who will suffer little or no symptoms if they contract the virus. Meanwhile it is now apparent that thousands of people are suffering because the NHS (along with many other organisations) is virtually at a standstill.

The latest measure (“no more than six”) has been described as “not perfect.” Like everything else (e.g. the “quarantine” rules or those on face coverings) not only is it not perfect – it’s utterly ridiculous. Two households of four each cannot all meet together. But six people from six different households can. One person in that group can contaminate all the others who can go back to their households and contaminate everybody there.

People need to get a grip. The chances of contracting the virus at all are very low; the chances of becoming seriously ill with it are incredibly low and the chances of dying from it are vanishingly remote. Those wishing to unnaturally lock themselves away from normal life because of those risks are free to do so. Everybody else needs to get on with life because, frankly, there is no realistic or rational alternative.

[Ellipsis]

> We were constantly told how many people had died, but that seems futile when the number of deaths is dropping all the time, so they switch the "info" to the number of infections! That's better!

And what's their motive?

I'll save you answering that with some conspiracy theory nonsense.

When you're in the maelstrom, lag figures (like deaths) are useful measures of how bad things are.

When you're trying to avoid a future maelstrom, lead figures (like infections) - that predict future lag figures (like deaths) are useful.

The problem with a lag figure is that it has already happened, you can't do anything about it. By working with lead figures, you have a chance of predicting and changing future lag figures and getting ahead of the game.

Classic lead figures: calories consumed and minutes of exercise done
Classic lag figure: weight

[10ClarionSt]

Thanks everyone for those fantastic, maybe informed, replies. Firstly, I don't live in Spain or Belgium, so to quote them is probably copying one reason for Joker Johnson to introduce lockdown in the first place. But just bring full lockdown back. All stay at home. Don't mix with anyone. Shut the country down completely. Just do it. Have all the Covid Vigilantes on the streets making sure all of that "happens".

NJ is correct. We are going to have to live with it. You folks have gone to great lengths in this thread to provide various statistics but I don't know what they prove. We all know what we see. The country needs to revert to normal. Rapid!!!!

Thanks again for all the replies.