Biden Is Better

[Spicerack]

Than I thought he might be, so far.
But, imo, he's made a massive error. He's been very aggressive towards Trump.
That's his sympathy vote gone and no- one could blame Trump for 'taking the gloves off'.

[dannyk13]

If anybody is interested the full debate is here:-
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8788571/Full-transcript-Donald-Trump-Joe-Biden-debate.html

[ToraToraTora]

"You don't like Harris, do you, Mozz? " - I think even mozz has realised that she is a manchurian candidate.

[Mozz71]

//You don't like Harris, do you, Mozz?//

I don't know enough about her to have formed an opinion yet to be honest Spicey.

[ichkeria]

Bizarre stuff from an incumbent president.
No hope, no humour.
Instead bile, lies, sneering, insults.
I thought Biden held himself together pretty well. He didn’t land any “blows” but he didn’t need to. Trump is not going to appeal to any undecided voters with displays like that: all he has to do is sit tight and hope he doesn’t look too discombobulated by his opponents antics.
If he loses it from here it’ll be some mess-up

[royfromaus]

Jesus Christ, you didn't notice Biden's...bile, lies, sneering, insults, then?

[TrevorThePug]

There were occasions where Biden should have just shut up and let Trump dangle on a rope, especially when Trump was asked if he would condemn white supremacy.

Suggesting that those 'proud boys should stand back and stand by' may well have passed many an American by unnoticed.

[Sunk]

Thankfully I have only seen the lowlights (I assume there were no highlights).

It was an embarrassing spectacle. Two elderly bad tempered men making fools of themselves.

No winner. Both losers.

[TrevorThePug]

Sunk, the winner was anyone who didn't watch it.

[ichkeria]

“ There were occasions where Biden should have just shut up and let Trump dangle on a rope, especially when Trump was asked if he would condemn white supremacy. ”

It’s very difficult though. He couldn’t really just not react.

[jim360]

// standard nasty lefty, just hurl insults no real substance, didn't address any of Trump's points just spat the dummy out when Donald hit him back. Clear win for the Trumpster in my view. //

At the very least, Biden was only giving as good as he was getting. On the subject of nastiness, for example, consider this exchange:

// ... speaking of my son, the way you talk about the military, the way you talk about them being losers and being and just being suckers. My son was in Iraq. He spent a year there. He got the Brown Star. He got the Conspicuous Service Medal. He was not a loser. He was a Patriot and the people left behind there were heroes.

DONALD TRUMP: Really?

JOE BIDEN: And I resent-

DONALD TRUMP: Are you talking Hunter, are you talking about Hunter.

JOE BIDEN: I'm talking about my son, Beau Biden, you're talking about Hunter?

DONALD TRUMP: I don't know Beau. I know Hunter. Hunter got thrown out of the military. He was thrown out dishonorably discharged.

JOE BIDEN: That's not true he was not dishonorably discharged.

DONALD TRUMP: For cocaine use. And he didn't have a job until you became vice president.

JOE BIDEN: None of that is true.

DONALD TRUMP: Once you became vice president he made a fortune in Ukraine, in China, in Moscow and various other places.

JOE BIDEN: That is not true.

DONALD TRUMP: He made a fortune and he didn't have a job.

JOE BIDEN: My son like a lot of people at home had a drug problem. He's overtaking it. He's fixed it. He's worked on it. And I'm proud of him, I'm proud of my son. //

It's important to note that Beau Biden, the one Joe was initially talking about, died in 2015. It's also important to note that everything Trump said about Hunter Biden in this passage is false. But mostly, it's important to note that when a father is talking about his dead son, you don't interrupt them.

[ichkeria]

Indeed.
Like I say: lies, bile, sneering, insults.
From Biden we had “clown”, “worst president ever” and “dumb” or whatever.
Which I think many reasonable people might claim weren’t insults.
Whether one person or another shows themselves worthy of being president or not is largely irrelevant: plainly Trump is not, but look where he is.
He is at the epicentre of an age and culture where people can speak a lie often enough in the hope/knowledge enough will believe it.
If you’d had a different opponent up there last night v Biden you’d have had a wholly different debate

[dannyk13]

The whole debate was reminiscent of a school playground tiff.

[Ellipsis]

Trump did well there, jim360, to move the subject from the son who did military service in Iraq and was now dead, to the one who is living and with addiction issues. Biden shouldn't have let him get away with that, he should have made the point he was trying to make about Trump calling Americans who died in war losers and suckers.

[jim360]

"Doing well" by being rude and dismissive of the dead is, at least, not my idea of the term (although I see what you mean). Biden managing to link Hunter to the many others with drug addiction problems was a reasonable response. Hard to imagine him not wanting to rebut the lies, too.

[Ellipsis]

> // ... speaking of my son, the way you talk about the military, the way you talk about them being losers and being and just being suckers. My son was in Iraq. He spent a year there. He got the Brown Star. He got the Conspicuous Service Medal. He was not a loser. He was a Patriot and the people left behind there were heroes.
> DONALD TRUMP: Really?

Biden's response could have been: "Yes, of course really. Are you saying that the American soldiers who died in Iraq weren't heroes?"

[jim360]

I get the impression from the transcript that Biden was still talking when the "really" came, so didn't pick up on it in time to reply to that remark specifically before Trump dragged Hunter into the picture.

[ichkeria]

That’s right.
A lot of the time both men were taking at once

[Jackdaw33]

One of the most populous and powerful nations on earth is offered the choice between two unstable geriatrics as their leader. This is an insult to the American people.

[jim360]

Well, the Republicans were always free to choose someone other than Trump to lead them!

America has the choice it deserves.

[Jackdaw33]

I cannot recall an instance of an incumbent president being challenged for his party's candidature.