Some Covid Scaremongering Put Into Reality

[youngmafbog]

Oh dear Boris, looks like you are using Covid to control us and twisting figures to justify it.

Time for you and Herr Hancock to go mate.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8845533/Coronavirus-Soaring-infections-death-rates-claims-justify-lockdowns.html#comments

[teacake44]

Its very interesting how Hancock and Boris want to blame the public for not following the rules, when they themselves have made one big cock up from the word go, they've had (8 months) to get track and trace running how it should, now Hancock believes they can still do it with further lock downs. In you're dreams both of you.

[bobbinwales]

Are your eyes shut youngmadbog. The deaths are rocketing. Hospital admissions are shooting up. Your a pretty lone voice. No goverments who are accountable agree with you and scientists must think your head is in the sand. Accept your wrong. Its serious.

[dannyk13]

Ymb//Time for you and Herr Hancock to go mate.//
Read the article, none of the claims were made by either Boris or Hancock.

[ichkeria]

The way I see this the government is at a crisis point in its handling of this: I don’t agree with lockdowns centrally controlled but if we are going down that road for heavens sake do it properly: a short sharp national stoppage would be drastic but might actually have some effect: and with proper compensation, rather than blundering along as now with locally divisive, discriminatory restrictions imposed from a remote centre which will ruin businesses but without the desired aim of saving lives.
Most people in the country seem to think we haven’t gone far enough.
Bring Sir Keir Starmer into the cabinet even, if he’d come, and try to get a cross party consensus. Then at least they’d not be alone in taking the flak for any failings
All that seemingly is anathema to the way this govt seems to want to do things

[dannyk13]

Ich//try to get a cross party consensus.//
That is exactly what Boris offered Starmer on Wednesday at PMQ's.

[woofgang]

yeah I can see KS agreeing to that one....

[bobbinwales]

A like Keir but a think a 3 week lockdown would become 6 weeks then 9 as death's will still rise for months. It will after be 6 months minimum really to slash it but we cant afford that

[ichkeria]

Did he offer to bring Keir Starmer into the government or did he just ask for his support in doing things his way?

[dave50]

A short sharp lock down would only kick the can down the road, as soon as we open up again, infections would rise, then what? Another lock down and then another? How long does it go on?

[ichkeria]

If you dont support a “proper” lockdown then what do you support?
Like I say, do the damn thing properly or don’t do it at all

[jim360]

My feeling at the moment is that Johnson takes "cross-party consensus" to mean "the Labour Party agrees fully with our measures as we decided them". That's not how consensus should work.

The article feels flawed to me because it's pointing to the situation *now* to argue against measures that are about how things may play out in the *future*. It may be that the future they are trying to prevent wouldn't have occurred anyway, it may not be, but it speaks a lot to the article's approach that it publishes graphs that show a sustained upwards trend for cases, hospitalisations and deaths, and appears to be arguing based on the idea that this upwards trend has already stopped. But it hasn't.

[Cryptical]

And replace with idiots like Andy Burnham and co.
I dread the thought.

[teacake44]

We had a lock down, and most people did lock down, we got the infection rate right down. What did the government do? TRASH it, by not doing what they should have done, and opening up before they did what they should have done. Now they will have a fight on their hands to impose further lock downs.

[iluvmargie]

^ Agree. They encouraged back into pubs with their cheap meal deals and now want to shut pubs again. No wonder people are rebelling!

[Sunk]

10 days ago the Government was asked to show the evidence that the sharp rise in new covid cases were occurring because of a rise in infection passed on in restaurants and bars.
There is no doubt the figure has begun to rise again, but we do not know why. The Government responded by early closing and full closing in tier 3. When asked for evidence to support such measures, the Government has been silent.

It unfortunately has begun to look like a punishment rather than a valid solution. They are saying “Your cases are higher than we have decreed, so your punishment will be you are grounded for a month”.

[teacake44]

They are complete idiots. You have the NHS ready and willing to do the testing, and you have LA all over the UK ready to control their own areas. What are these idiots doing, still plodding down the same old track, that's proved to be fruitless for 8 months, WHY? they don't want to admit they've got it wrong, or seen to be losing their obsession of power, at a cost to everyone.

[Sunk]

From a thread las week on AB I wrote

// // the public "deserved to know" the basis for the restriction [to restaurants and bars]and if it could not be justified the rule must be reviewed. //

It is unlikely the Government will supply any compelling evidence in support of the measure (probably because none exists). //

And no evidence has been produced.

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teacake44

The Government have outsourced everything to their chums in Corporate businesses at enormous expense to the taxpayer. They cannot admit it isn’t working because the public would realise that the Government have wasted vast amounts of money, and lots of precious time, with very little to show for it.

[teacake44]

Agree, apart from very little to show for it, I'd say nothing to show for it.

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teacake44
The outsourced companies are getting there, just a lot slower and a lot more expensive than local providers would have done.