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Another Load Of Idiots.
Is it going to be like this for the foreseeable?
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//I'd be interested to know if some miracle angel came down and wiped covid off the earth will you still stay locked up/masked up - //
Odd question to me but the answers NO. Am going to get the vaccination and will carry on pretty much as a used to. Still go to work. Its not really lockdown now, just a few restrictions, so things wont change much- will just visit friends and famly as much as possible, hug my famly, book my foreign holiday and book a few meals out. No masks. A might use hand gel if its offered though
Odd question to me but the answers NO. Am going to get the vaccination and will carry on pretty much as a used to. Still go to work. Its not really lockdown now, just a few restrictions, so things wont change much- will just visit friends and famly as much as possible, hug my famly, book my foreign holiday and book a few meals out. No masks. A might use hand gel if its offered though
Unfortunately not, Corby.
I got the figure about ten days ago from somewhere but I cannot recall where. I've also noticed that the ONS now says that the number of weekly deaths has been above average for the last three weeks, whereas I read only a few days ago that it had not been above average since June. I guess you pays your money and takes your choice.
The most telling aspect of all this is the huge discrepancy between the scenarios painted by the Professor and The Good Doctor and reality. I know that forecasting such outcomes is notoriously difficult but it seems to me that the two scientists are deliberately painting the worst possible picture they think they can get away with (presumably to protect their own backsides). The nation cannot continue to be enthralled by them when they are so inaccurate.
I got the figure about ten days ago from somewhere but I cannot recall where. I've also noticed that the ONS now says that the number of weekly deaths has been above average for the last three weeks, whereas I read only a few days ago that it had not been above average since June. I guess you pays your money and takes your choice.
The most telling aspect of all this is the huge discrepancy between the scenarios painted by the Professor and The Good Doctor and reality. I know that forecasting such outcomes is notoriously difficult but it seems to me that the two scientists are deliberately painting the worst possible picture they think they can get away with (presumably to protect their own backsides). The nation cannot continue to be enthralled by them when they are so inaccurate.
The figure sounds as if its right for 42 deaths, am sure it will be under 100, but thats missing a key point. Which is that when peopel under 40 get it there probly going to infect someone who is older- maybe a parent or grandparent or workmate or shopper or the old bloke in the pub that stands at the bar, or someone they meet with underlying conditions that makes them vunerable. They peopel they come into contact with and infect may die or may then pass it to someone else.
And there are still young peopel under 40 who are suffering from long covid which may last many years of pain or lack of ienergy unable to work or death within a few years. Plus some under 40 are spending time in hospital taking up corona beds but thankfully not dieing there.
So we all need to play are part whether we'er young or old , not say "Am allright jack"
Bobb
And there are still young peopel under 40 who are suffering from long covid which may last many years of pain or lack of ienergy unable to work or death within a few years. Plus some under 40 are spending time in hospital taking up corona beds but thankfully not dieing there.
So we all need to play are part whether we'er young or old , not say "Am allright jack"
Bobb
well judge your still missing the point that Professor Vallence and Chris Whitty who know far more than us about the spread of diseases were saying what they expected would happen if we did not act. We have acted, maybe to late, and the figures are still bad but yes lower than the prejections. So the restrictions work. And try as hard as you want youll never prove that they would or wouldnt of been higher. A know whose more likely to have judged it right
Judges argument will never be wrong in the mind of the covid deniers. First they carefully ignore the fact that infections, hospital intakes and deaths had started to rise rapidly and there was a clear trend up. Then if we lockdown and deaths rise alot theyll say" see lockdown doesnt work". but if deaths are held down by the lockdown theyll say "see deaths arent to bad, it was all scaremonering"
If like judge and prudie and lots on here you dont like lockdowns you'll never be convinced even if every scientist and doctor in the world said there effective and necessary and are working
If like judge and prudie and lots on here you dont like lockdowns you'll never be convinced even if every scientist and doctor in the world said there effective and necessary and are working
There are no covid deniers, everyone knows there is a virus called covid and it can be nasty in some case. Not everyone agrees with the steps taken to contain it. As for protecting the NHS, we've hardly had one in the last nine months. No face to face at my doctor's still, three dental appointments cancelled. Still not open. Rishi Sunak is bunging another £3 billion at it but it will still be functioning at a reduced rate.
OP, so long as they're morons on the PLANET who will constantly deny its existance and not adhere to what are some complexitities to us all then i'm afraid it will continue.
It does mean all of us whom have made our best efforts to stop it spreading and stopped our 'normal living lives will have to know that we wasted our time.
It does mean all of us whom have made our best efforts to stop it spreading and stopped our 'normal living lives will have to know that we wasted our time.
//…but unless you have a better plan?//
I have a better plan which I have enunciated a few times on here.
//So may be for once in you're life try to think on the positive, or will the success of the vaccine render you're posts for the last few months void.//
The success of a vaccine will make me deliriously happy. But the damage to the country has already been done. Much of it was unnecessary and that’s what my point has been throughout. So the vaccine will not alter that. No other pandemic has ever been approached in the way that this has, with a view that nothing else matters. It does and the long term effects of this strategy will be felt for years, if not decades after the pandemic is over. Returning to a vaccine – it will not be the super saviour that is popularly believed. None of the experts are suggesting that it will be. If it works and if it can be distributed promptly there is the issue of take-up (some estimates put it possibly being as low as 60%). That’s why when I have read that lockdowns “buy time” I wonder what the time is being bought for and, in particular, how long the nation believes it can continue buying it. There will still be a lot of Covid around for a long while but no strategy seems to have been developed for living with its existence – apart from keeping every away from everybody else. So long as that persists the damage to the economy, to the nation’s (non-Covid) health, to the fabric of society, to education and to mental welfare will simply increase.
//So the restrictions work.//
You don’t know that they do any more than I know that they don’t. I don’t claim to know that they don’t. My focus is on the collateral damage caused by them. Suffice it to say that it is generally accepted that any lockdown measures take at least two weeks to work through to the infection figures and three weeks to work through to the deaths. So any change in those figures would not be attributable to England’s lockdown which began 17 days ago.
BTW, I am NOT a Covid denier. I simply disagree with the way it is being handled.
//It does mean all of us whom have made our best efforts to stop it spreading and stopped our 'normal living lives will have to know that we wasted our time.//
I regret to say it but I think you have. Despite the restrictions in the UK (which is all I really know about) the disease has continued to spread. You will say it is because “morons” didn’t follow the rules; I will say it wouldn’t have mattered if they had, because you cannot keep everybody away from everybody else.
I think I’m out of this one now – unless anybody else calls me names! :-) I've got the tennis to watch.
I have a better plan which I have enunciated a few times on here.
//So may be for once in you're life try to think on the positive, or will the success of the vaccine render you're posts for the last few months void.//
The success of a vaccine will make me deliriously happy. But the damage to the country has already been done. Much of it was unnecessary and that’s what my point has been throughout. So the vaccine will not alter that. No other pandemic has ever been approached in the way that this has, with a view that nothing else matters. It does and the long term effects of this strategy will be felt for years, if not decades after the pandemic is over. Returning to a vaccine – it will not be the super saviour that is popularly believed. None of the experts are suggesting that it will be. If it works and if it can be distributed promptly there is the issue of take-up (some estimates put it possibly being as low as 60%). That’s why when I have read that lockdowns “buy time” I wonder what the time is being bought for and, in particular, how long the nation believes it can continue buying it. There will still be a lot of Covid around for a long while but no strategy seems to have been developed for living with its existence – apart from keeping every away from everybody else. So long as that persists the damage to the economy, to the nation’s (non-Covid) health, to the fabric of society, to education and to mental welfare will simply increase.
//So the restrictions work.//
You don’t know that they do any more than I know that they don’t. I don’t claim to know that they don’t. My focus is on the collateral damage caused by them. Suffice it to say that it is generally accepted that any lockdown measures take at least two weeks to work through to the infection figures and three weeks to work through to the deaths. So any change in those figures would not be attributable to England’s lockdown which began 17 days ago.
BTW, I am NOT a Covid denier. I simply disagree with the way it is being handled.
//It does mean all of us whom have made our best efforts to stop it spreading and stopped our 'normal living lives will have to know that we wasted our time.//
I regret to say it but I think you have. Despite the restrictions in the UK (which is all I really know about) the disease has continued to spread. You will say it is because “morons” didn’t follow the rules; I will say it wouldn’t have mattered if they had, because you cannot keep everybody away from everybody else.
I think I’m out of this one now – unless anybody else calls me names! :-) I've got the tennis to watch.
NJ I did see that someone had requested the following information,
"Please provide the total number of deaths in the UK caused by COVID-19 alone with zero underlying health conditions. I would also like to know the age categories in which these deaths fall in."
The ONS published a response on 30th September and gave some figures but stated,
"Unfortunately, we would be unable to provide you with the requested breakdown of COVID-19 deaths with no underlying health conditions by age category. In order to fulfil this request, we would need use a high level of statistical skill and judgement in order to create a bespoke analysis or table. Under the Freedom of Information Act 2000, Public Authorities are not obligated to create information in order to respond to requests. We therefore consider this to be information not held."
That appears to be doubtful since I obtained my figures from Table 6a in their spreadsheet here giving figures from March to June broken down by age categories and underlying condition,
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It showed that 542 deaths registered between March and June involved Covid for those aged up to forty-four.
Of those, 101 had no pre-existing condition.
"Please provide the total number of deaths in the UK caused by COVID-19 alone with zero underlying health conditions. I would also like to know the age categories in which these deaths fall in."
The ONS published a response on 30th September and gave some figures but stated,
"Unfortunately, we would be unable to provide you with the requested breakdown of COVID-19 deaths with no underlying health conditions by age category. In order to fulfil this request, we would need use a high level of statistical skill and judgement in order to create a bespoke analysis or table. Under the Freedom of Information Act 2000, Public Authorities are not obligated to create information in order to respond to requests. We therefore consider this to be information not held."
That appears to be doubtful since I obtained my figures from Table 6a in their spreadsheet here giving figures from March to June broken down by age categories and underlying condition,
https:/
It showed that 542 deaths registered between March and June involved Covid for those aged up to forty-four.
Of those, 101 had no pre-existing condition.
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