Has The Oxford Vaccine Be Hyped?

[Sunk]

Astra/Zeneca’s share price has plummeted on fears that the vaccine will not be licensed for use in the USA.

Investors are doubting the results.
AZ originally claimed 70% effectiveness. That was bumped up to 90% on the results from two doses. But that turns out to have been done by error. A more clinical test of Brazilians only gave a 62% result.
There was criticism that the trial did not test on any older people, anyone over 55 was excluded.

62% is still impressive, but a third less than the other two. Have we been slightly misled?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/26/scrutiny-grows-over-oxford-universityastrazeneca-vaccine

[THECORBYLOON]

TTT, yes I am.

[Peter Pedant]

// As the Regulators knew about the error At the time and it was also reported by the media, what is the problem?//

because it is a thing about validity of the experiment
and a regulator cant repair that by saying - o that doesnt matter we will take it as valid

[ToraToraTora]

crikey I need a double lie down the both ummm agreed with me on one thread and TCL on this one!

[THECORBYLOON]

PP, I was replying to the claim they had not disclosed a dosing error.

I wasn't making a comment about the accuracy or efficacy.

[Peter Pedant]

er yes OK...

[THECORBYLOON]

There's no, "er yes" about it.

[10ClarionSt]

Woofgang, to view the link without subscribing, hold down the Esc button whilst opening the link. It works.

[10ClarionSt]

Woofgang, they must have sussed that one out now. Just tried it without success. It's worked lots of times in the past. Gits!

[gness]

Skunk. I know one of the Oxford professors. I promise you she would never lie and never hype. She is way above that and far too dedicated to creating, as she said, "a vaccine for the world".

[dannyk13]

Chris Whitty seems to have doubts about the Oxford vaccine:-
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8989783/Chris-Whitty-refuses-outright-Oxfords-Covid-19-vaccine.html

[Peter Pedant]

//There's no, "er yes" about it.//
er there is - but you may not get it

how was the mistake made ? and does the "how" affect what was done/achieved ? Yup, mistaking with intent is different to an oops.

and were as a report suggests - the half dose labelled as full dose?
big deal about quality control if that answer is yes - how did it occur and will it occur again. "hope not!" is not enough

what wd I do if it happened to me ? 1)go upstairs put a pillow over my head and suck my thumb
2)realise that I should have personally vaccinated all 140 000 participants before realising I cdnt.
3) said to the lucky under-injectors - do you have any idea what you have just done? and wait for the three legged replies like "foo yeah well I doan fink it is that bad. do you know how much they pay us?"

they are thinking about doing the large scale trial - - - again

[Peter Pedant]

how can you have answers removed on a vaccine thread?

[THECORBYLOON]

PP, clear my attempt to explain my response has failed.

I will try again.

SUNK posted, "No they didn’t disclose the half dose/Full dose was a mistake and due to a manufacturing error. "

I then posted a quote from the BBC's website stating the Regulator had been made aware of the lower dose being used and the trial could continue.

I was providing evidence to contradict the claim that the error had not been disclosed and that was all.

I was not commenting about whether the trial was valid, whether it should have continued or any other aspect of the trial, I was statng the error had not been kept secret.

[Peter Pedant]

yeah yeah - look I have said OK
you re right - you re right for chrissakes

[ToraToraTora]

TCL, good luck trying to reason with PP.

[ToraToraTora]

...He's Learning dis, has very little comprehension of what's happening, you'd have more chance with gulliver.

[Peter Pedant]

"you re right" is hard to understand ?
it is only two words for chrissakes - but hey as someone said -
this is AB!