Breaking: Pfizer Vaccine Approved For Use In U K

[ChillDoubt]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55145696

Form an orderly queue......

[jno]

yes, they were originally second in line. Because the vaccine needs to be kept at a million below, hospitals will have the facilities to do this and care homes won't.

But it seems literally less than an hour ago that they twigged this; up till then, the running order still had care homes first.

[bobbinwales]

Its going to be a difficult admin exercise to get the vaccinnes rolled out to all care homes, especially the smaller ones given the transport and storage issues and the difficulties with giving a jab to very frail residents and dementure ones. Its important to do as many as possable as soon as possable though. Doing are NHS staff will get most done in shortest time and having protected NHS staff will mean an even better service to patient's.

[pixie374]

If it isn't currently in the care home (and most are free), then the staff being amongst the first, seems helpful, as they are less likely to bring it in. But this is more about practicality and which order to vaccinate, than who is most important. So, still helpful, I think.

[gness]

Dave and I can't agree on whether you mean contempt for covid patients or those nursing them, Pixie?
Either way it's wrong.
Contempt for those who can be vaccinated but won't for the ridiculous reasons they give...now that is different. I too have contempt for them.

[pixie374]

Covid patients, gness. If you look at his last postings, it would be clearer. It's just the attitude that is appalling... particularly when he claims it is most of his colleagues who feel the same.
I'm sure you are aware, that I have also dealt with awful deaths over years, and look after people with covid. But vaccination or not, I would never see a patient/client, with such contempt as chilli suggests is acceptable.

[ChillDoubt]

Maybe the OP will have a quick look at his employer's social media policy during his tea break tonight :)
—————-
I’ve not identified any patients nor myself by name but I’ll rightly or wrongly take that as an implied threat, ergo I’ll trouble this site no longer.

Bye all.

[jno]

can't see any threat in that, implied or otherwise, really.

[sunny-dave]

I've looked very hard - and can see absolutely nothing from CD that implies contempt for Covid patients - I'd appreciate an accurate link if there is one.

Contempt for vaccine refusers, yes - which is his right - as much as refusing the vaccine is theirs - but contempt for patients I cannot see.

[gness]

I recall Chill's distress and appeal to us after the Covid death of a colleague. Can't find but recall him being upset at the state of some patients with Covid.
Surely to god we can empathise with and understand medics who are absolutely knackered by now, Pixie.
I have sat with the dying over the years, Pixie...held my dying husband's hand and cuddled my dying granddaughter as she stopped breathing. You have dealt with deaths. If you know anything about Covid you'll know that was nothing to what some of the NHS workers are having to deal with now.
I chat to my nephew often. I see his tears after holding a phone to the ear of one of his dying patients.
For god's sake, Pixie...have some thought for them.

Please, Pixie...show me Chilldoubt's contempt.

[pixie374]

I have said exactly that myself, gness... but I can find no excuse for that kind of attitude towards patients.
I haven't reread this, but I believe it was this one that changed my mind x
https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1730363.html

[pixie374]

//I chat to my nephew often. I see his tears after holding a phone to the ear of one of his dying patients.
For god's sake, Pixie...have some thought for them.//

Yes.....I'm sorry- your nephew clearly had care and compassion for his patients. That is absolutely not my point.

[pixie374]

Actually.... it's exactly my point.

[gness]

Right. You haven't reread. I have. Again, Pixie. Where has Chill shown contempt for current Covid patients?

He is very angry about those who won't take steps to protect themselves and others in what is now to be our future. So am I.

[sunny-dave]

I've just reread the thread referenced by Pixie - yes CD is very angry - but not about people who actually have Covid - or indeed about those who may have it before they get offered a vaccine.

What he's furious about (and yes, he does reflect the views of many medical professionals) is that people my refuse the vaccine, but then expect the NHS to come running to help when they catch Covid.

Yes the NHS will always help (and I'm sure CD would too) - but it won't stop them feeling angry about the waste of resources which is involved in treating an entirely avoidable infection.

[pixie374]

Did you read the link? As you said yourself... most people caring for those who are ill, are upset and have compassion for them. We don't call them morons, whether they have contributed to it themselves or not.
If you have read the link, and admire chill's attitude to patients... I will have to leave you to it and just be glad I would never feel like he does.

[pixie374]

Dave, anger, frustration.... etc. Nobody has the right to suggest people should die a horrible death because they were ignorant and made the wrong choice. Particularly, someone who works for the NHS. I'll have to just say the same as I just did to gness... I am glad I no nobody in the same situation with the same attitude. And I sincerely hope he doesn't work in any of my local hospitals. The majority of NHS staff are caring and he is doing them no favours.

[sunny-dave]

And the implied threats referencing his employers 'social media policies' have no place on AB - I remember with chilling unhappiness how someone was maliciously 'outed' to their employers and very nearly lost their job.

I hope the editor is watching with some attention the person who made the threat to CD (smiley face or not).

[ladybirder]

I understood it as Chill was referring to people who were going to refuse the vaccine, not his patients.

Please don't go Chill, you have been a good ABer and we need more like you.

[gness]

Change your word admire for the word understand, Pixie.

I understand how hard it will be to treat those who succumb to Covid through stupidity...they will be treated though.
Chill has never said anything untoward about the patients he has treated who have developed Covid through no fault of their own and often through being at the front line helping others.

And I hope I never treat a front line worker as you have treated Chill by failing to understand what they are saying.

[237SJ]

SD I can absolutely assure CD that no way would I ever report someone to their employer and resent your suggestion that I would. You probably retired from work before employers social media policies existed but as you say yourself - someone was reported from here. That is my point and if I was CD I would ask the Ed to remove his previous remarks because you never know who is reading them and he could be putting himself in a precarious position. That is all I am going to say to you on the matter.