Trump And The Election

[Paigntonian]

Sorry to say but the speech by Trump on BBC Parliament channel on now does have some semblance of credibility.

[jim360]

Explain how.

[aelmpvw]

i can only assume it's judd discussing snooker

[jim360]

Makes sense, I suppose -- the US Congress passed a law legalising pot a couple of days ago :)

[Paigntonian]

The Democrat vote surges in the early hours, ballots sent to the dead, the lack of scrutiny by observers, masses of Democrat votes suddenly appearing at the same time, multiple ballots sent to the same voters and postal ballots already filled in when received by voters...Trump is utterly loathsome but fear that there might, just might, be some truth in his position.

[Untitled]

It only sounds credible if you trust that this man is telling the truth. But he's not.

He's a deranged lunatic who seems hellbent on starting another civil war.

[Paigntonian]

Don't trust him at all. But all voting systems are open to fraud and the USA is far more corrupt than people realise.

[brainiac]

I would love to have the opportunity to ask Trump the question that would upset him the most:

"Mr Trump, how does it feel to be a loser?"

[jim360]

Except that every one of those points is easy to explain and account for. The Democrat "vote surges", for example, is a curiously twisted way of saying, "more votes were counted and added to the total as they were processed". Ballots sent to the dead happens all the time, but sending a ballot doesn't equate to receiving it back, doesn't equate to counting it, and seems surprisingly ignorant of the possibility that people vote early, and then die. Even then, most of it turns out to be administrative errors that are easily corrected.

None of Trump's claims holds water remotely. It's only "credible" if you rely only on him as a source. Look deeper into this and you'll see that there is nothing at all to his complaints. He lost the election, by a lot.

[Paigntonian]

Jim, points taken. Maybe I'm being a little naive.

[Untitled]

Indeed the USA is a very corrupt place. Mr. Trump should know - many of his closest colleagues have been convicted of serious crimes. But there is no good evidence that the election was stolen.

And no, Mr. Trump jabbing his stumpy finger at cooked-up graphs and printouts like a flat earther on youtube with a budget does not count.

[Paigntonian]

Looking forward to a Biden presidency. Look on You Tube and Obama giving him the medal of freedom. He cries and he comes across as a thoroughly decent man.

[THECORBYLOON]

I seen a bit on the BBC website previously where it had been claimed 10,000 dead folk had voted in Michigan.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/election-us-2020-54874120

[jim360]

Biden will be a decent person as President, at least. I'm not sure his Presidency will be noteworthy otherwise, though.

Presumably Trump has also ignored how the vote count progressed in Florida and in North Carolina, two states he won: in early counting, Biden was strongly ahead in both. And then there were curious surges in Republican votes that swung it back to Trump. For some reason, he hasn't complained about those anomalies :)

[Untitled]

He wouldn't be throwing such a hideous temper tantrum if he had won. If he wins, the vote must be legitimate - if he loses, then it's obviously fraud. What an arrogant knob he is. Except that he is placing the USA in peril by repeating this constantly, drumming up his lunatic supporters to believe falsely that the election was stolen. Considering how many of his fans are gun nuts he is playing with fire but he doesn't care because it flatters his ego. He's going to cause violence.

[Paigntonian]

I remained convinced that he has some kind of mental health problem.

[Untitled]

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20366662

[bednobs]

Cant saying agree with you about Biden. I think most politicians are in it for themselves, not because they're thoroughly decent. However it need not concern either of us as it's in a far off land. Any notion that America is leader of the free world or other such hyperbole has disappeared now that its president has admitted it cant even run free and fair elections and doesn't even have a free press. It reminds me if an African dictatorship, or if you consider its relative wealth perhaps a middle eastern dictatorship

[KARL]

Recount after recount, investigation after investigation, court after court arrive at the conclusion that there is no evidence giving rise to reasons for criticising how the elections were conducted. Even ardent Trump supporters (some of them at that point ex-supporters) are saying "Enough already" - yet he and the sycophants persist. There will always be rumours and even statements of "proof" and "fact" by disgruntled doubters about anything, and in present times virulent conspiracy theories to boot. Some of them will persist generations no matter what. Indeed, brainiac points to Trump's biggest problem, but second behind the general sanity/character issue.

[Paigntonian]

Untitled: Didn't know about this but think you're spot on.