Well Done M'lud!

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55528241
Now, send us Sacoolas and you can have Assange!

[Khandro]

Yes, well done!.

[Khandro]

'WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has won his fight to avoid extradition to the United States and could be freed this week.

District Judge Vanessa Baraitser said at the Old Bailey on Monday that, due to the real risk of suicide, the 49-year-old should not be extradited by "reason of mental health".

Assange, who sat in the dock of Court 2 in a blue suit and wearing a green face mask below his nose, closed his eyes as the judge read out her ruling.

Lawyers will return to the Old Bailey later today for a bail application, and if Assange's legal team are successful, their client could be a free man.'

The Telegraph

[Sunk]

If Assange is innocent, I wonder who did leak 250,000 Confidential Secret documents ?

[Jackdaw33]

A note of caution:
The ruling was made by a district judge which can, and probably will, be appealed to higher courts.

[Khandro]

Jack, it was at the Old Bailey

[Jackdaw33]

Even so, the case can still be referred to the Court of Appeal and the Supreme Court if necessary.

[Theland]

Julian is a journalist with great sources exposing war crimes.
The USA want to hide their embarrassment by ?lacking him away. We need more like him as our freedoms are eroded, and in spite of the thickos on here who along with the USA condemn him.

[ichkeria]

Assange is no "journalist": he is a conspiracy theorist and fraudster.
I'm glad he's not to be extradited though.

The Sacoolas case is totally separate and should be assessed on its own merits.
And no doubt is being, on this side of the Atlantic at least. There is no suggestion that that is not the case, unless you know differently.

[ichkeria]

What Assange did did not further the cause of peace anywhere.

[jno]

I doubt District Judge Vanessa Baraitser is called M'Lud, even by any children she may have.

While the Sacoolas case is undoubtedly separate, they're linked by extradition laws that have often seemed to me to favour the USA.

[sevenOP]

Extradition was rejected entirely on humanitarian grounds and District Judge (Magistrates’ Court) Vanessa Baraitser in the Westminster Magistrate s’ Court has accepted the U.S. prosecution arguments.
Freedom of the Press went by the wayside, as did the sexual allegations in Sweden. And the extradition matter is not closed.

https://www.judiciary.uk/judgments/usa-v-julian-assange/

[Theland]

The Swedish sex scandal was very convenient for the USA.
Far too convenient.

[Peter Pedant]

I thought good

and then dear TTT comes along with a one liner - plonkety plonk
"Now, send us Sacoolas and you can have Assange!"

no me old chyne - it is extradition , not an exchange of Hostages!
-- oo gor blime me gollox! ( old essex phrase)

[Peter Pedant]

thanks 7 up very much for the judgement ref
which I will spend the afternoon reading

//Extradition was rejected entirely grollocks grollocks grollocks blah blah blah extradition matter is not closed.//

the criteria doubltess in the judgement is whether the indictment is correctly framed
[Paigton intervenes painfully: I dont think that is true]
correctly framed and not whether they get up and run

larceny kinda equals theft here, but you have to make sure that the crime doesnt fit by name but by action and intention ( actus reus and mens rea) - all the other pointes mentioned by 7 up arent really in the picture

Suprisingly enough very few american applications to extradite have been historically turned down

[ichkeria]

"The Swedish sex scandal was very convenient for the USA.
Far too convenient. "

Hardly.
It was probably the opposite. Extradition to Sweden and possible trail and conviction would have meant no extradition to the US. In fact mere extradition to Sweden full stop might have meant that.
But the person it would have been most inconvenient to would have been Assange needless to say.

[jno]

the Swedes dropped their investigations more than a year ago.

[Peter Pedant]

erm isnt the swedish sex scandal enmeshed int the prince andrew question

the jolly rollicking screwy Prince cant be extradited to the Land of the Free, because what he did is legal here ( she was 16)

see posts above

[ came up with my lord Scruntfuttock's extradition to New York for sothebys fraud. oops what was fraud there was allowed here - civil only, breach of trust]

god if you know the law there is money to be ade out there!

[Khandro]

This I posted on another thread; 'Without Julian Assange, we would know far less about the US war in Afghanistan. Our picture of the conflict would have remained sanitized, and largely as political leaders would have wanted it to be. But since the 2010 Afghan War documents leak on WikiLeaks — an investigative platform founded by Assange — the world knows about the real inhumanity and duplicity surrounding the war. Indeed, thousands of classified military and intelligence documents were made public that year.

Journalists all over the world have hugely benefited from Assange's WikiLeaks platform since. It allows them to network and reveal the untransparent, illegal and at times even downright criminal activities of political and business elites. So it's really no wonder that high-ranking decision-makers fear this platform. And they're certainly entitled to make use of whichever fair, legal measures exist to fight such revelations — though the steps taken against WikiLeaks founder Assange in recent years are entirely disproportionate.'

[Sunk]

While the 2010 wikileaks dump of 250,000 classified documents was entertaining, it achieved zilch.
No US Government officials prosecuted or sacked for anything, no change of policy, no condemnation from her allies.
Assange didn’t really save the free world. It was a bit of a cyber adventure, and the treasure trove of plundered documents ultimately underwhelming.
I am not bothered one way or the other what happens to him. I only know I am sick of hearing his name.

[sevenOP]

"Extradition to Sweden and possible trail and conviction would have meant no extradition to the US. In fact mere extradition to Sweden full stop might have meant that."

Pure conjecture.

Sweden dropped their investigation because of the expiration of the statute of limitations.

Huawei's chief financial officer, Meng Wanzhou has been under house arrest for over two years.