Trump Not Finished Yet

[Hymie]

While he has less than two weeks before he vacates the White House - expect a very long list of presidential pardons to be announced within 24 hours of his departure.

Some are suggesting that besides the list including family, friends and other crooks who have assisted him, he could add himself to the list. But quite how you pardon yourself without being convicted of anything is a mystery to me.

[MallyJ]

A few pardons and some executions...if he is allowed near the White house again......he seems to have upset a huge number of people and is considered a tad dangerous...concern has been expressed over his access to nuclear weapons numbers....Nut case imo...I wonder if he will be locked down in some way.

[jim360]

Pre-emptive pardons are, apparently, legitimate -- the Nixon pardon was one such -- but they are also a tacit admission of guilt. Personal pardons are less clear-cut. I don't see how they can be constitutional, or even moral for that matter. Pardoning yourself is more or less the textbook example of Divine Right, ie something absolute monarchs "can" do but nobody else can. I'm sure a Court would agree. Trump is welcome to try and pardon himself, but he will in all probability fail.

It's also worth mentioning that a Presidential Pardon is only possible for federal crimes, so Trump could still be charged with crimes in various States if it came to that.

[Hymie]

As well as predicting many presidential pardons announced, I expect at 12:01 on the 20 January, multiple civil and criminal court filings to be made against Trump.

[tomus42]

One of many things America needs to possibly rethink is this thing of the outgoing potus being able to pardon any criminal willy nilly. I can't see any good reason for it.

[brainiac]

Trump's Twitter account has just been permanently suspended!

[Hymie]

tomus42 – it allows this president to pardon those who at his behest committed criminal acts – with the promise of a pardon should they be convicted.

[ichkeria]

“ One of many things America needs to possibly rethink is this thing of the outgoing potus being able to pardon any criminal willy nilly. I can't see any good reason for it.”

In “The Border” by Don Winslow there’s a character imprisoned on a full life term for medium scale drug offences. He’s a “good” God-fearing man who’s ended up on the wrong side of the tracks through being manipulated by unscrupulous people.
He has written to President Obama consistently asking for a review of his case and a presidential pardon. He knows that once President-elect “Dennison” (ahem) takes office his chance will be gone.
On the day of the inauguration his pardon comes through.
That is what this SHOULD be used for.

[Peter Pedant]

// But quite how you pardon yourself without being convicted of anything is a mystery to me.//

pardon me - no one is quite sure

it clearly isnt a world pardon - and may only apply to fed crimes. Thee are a few state indictments waiting for him for which the pardon doesnt work

Nixon 1973 certainly thought he cdnt pardon himself - and his appointed success Gerald Ford ( the only non elected pres etc) which cost Ford HIS re election.

Trumps view of presidential executive privilege ( that he cd do anything at all) I think has had its day. Purely on the idea of "oh we tried that"

current view is that trump certainly IS accountable for his actions

[Peter Pedant]

jim - Hi Jim! is correct - except that in fact Ford pardoned Nixon and not himself - and at the time,
the articles of impeachment has been sent to Congress,
so that it wasnt exactly a future pardon

and the pardon wwas thought of as an end to it
new beginning

[Peter Pedant]

yeah - he thinks he can act like a King - is the worst possible insult. Prevented the gt and dead Geo Washington from seeking further terms
the founding fathers really didnt seem to like each other

whereas for a Brit the first thoght is: oh golly when do I move into the Mall Council House that comes wivda job ?

[Jackdaw33]

The tragedy of Nixon was that Watergate was so unnecessary. Nixon was cruising towards a landslide (he won 49 out of 50 states)so he didn't need to get the dirt on the Democrats; with McGovern as candidate they had no chance.

[jno]

he thinks he can act like a King

Ford did ... because he was a King. Né Leslie King.

[teacake44]

For many years now there's always been a worry of a nutter in charge of a big red button. We now have one, he's walking round an empty house, deserted by many of the people that supported him, cut off from his social media site, most of his toys have been thrown from the pram. Whats happening, very little at the moment because the powers that be are following the law of the land, Trump decided to ignore all the laws of the land, so before its to late they need to act now, for get the laws, you are dealing with a nutter, go in and arrest him, and lock him away NOW, and sort the rest later.

[dannyk13]

TC, the problem is that if Trump is arrested it might inflame his fanatical supporters to riot again.

[teacake44]

His fanatical supporters wont have the red button in their hands.

[dannyk13]

TC//His fanatical supporters wont have the red button in their hands.//
So it s OK to riot providing they don't have the red button?

[burlyshirley]

Oh God not the bloody red button AGAIN !!

[Peter Pedant]

// So it s OK to riot providing they don't have the red button?//
yeah actually

1951 - election - whose finger on the trigger
seeing TTT frollicking in his pearly suit wivvart a nuclear football, I think wd be rather thweet

inflaming Trump's nutter supporters wd I think be less dangerous

[Peter Pedant]

the red button represents the man's doo doo

so a Trump might say - yeah red button again and again !

[teacake44]

You're now being silly danny, and unable to see the difference between the two options. As you are having difficulty... a length of pipe, (Homemade bomb) or a nuke bomb. Let me know you're choice?