Ok Welcome On Board But What's All This "Non Binary" ***?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/30/i-felt-like-i-was-born-again-first-non-binary-person-granted-uk-refugee-status
....he's a geezer 4FS!

[Ellipsis]

> Tora says that he is against non-binary people because it changes society. Perhaps that isn't such a bad thing and society needs that change.

It has changed, which is why I made sure that the link I C&Ped from on page 1 of this thread was from gov.uk:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/environmentalaccounts/articles/whatisthedifferencebetweensexandgender/2019-02-21

Society has changed, but some people are still living in 1958.

[pixie374]

Mozz, 16:31, they have already been raised and ignored.... which is a lot of the problem. I agree society needs to change- but I believe it should start going forwards, and not backwards again.

[Togo]

//Togo, crimes are not recorded by gender.//

Then in the same post.

//Crimes are now being recorded as committed by female.... when it should be male.//

Make you mind up or are you "confused"?

Then, despite the "figures" establishing that 98.5% of violent crimes and 90% of sex crimes being committed by men we are to believe these crimes that are not recorder by gender, are being credited to women despite the recording of crime being a totally gender free zone. Good job I suppose or the men(who aren't having crimes allocated to them) would have 110% of all violent crime and 101% of sex crimes on their permanent record. Another question, why do this topic always end up hanging around the bogs at some point? Is that where the fluid bit comes in? Or goes out?

[pixie374]

It's not me who is confused, Togo. What does gender have to do with male or female?
You don't seem to understand sex, gender, or statistics.

[MartinMillar]

Theland I cannot see how you claim to be a Christian with that sense of feeling and attitude.

[Togo]

// What does gender have to do with male or female?//

Go on tell us. Neither male, nor female is classified as a gender.

Does this mean that we can now scrap the gender discrimination legislation, because there is now no such thing as male and female?

[pixie374]

You are getting it all backwards, Togo. Male, female is sex- and sex discrimation does exist. As do stats...
Gender is purely identification, and neither male or female. It's more, whatever people consider o be masculine or feminine, for whatever reason. They aren't the same thing.

[Togo]

It is at this stage that I can't help but wonder whether Pixie, if she was promulgating this sociobabble out there in the real world with real people present, with perhaps people who come from a typical nuclear family instead of one that has exploded into unrecognisable debris, would by now have been invited to go and do something that most people find physically impossible. I also can't help concluding, whether after yet another display of mental gymnastics and verbal contortionism that she would indeed be able to actually do it. :))

[pixie374]

I'm sure I would :-). Very sorry you are unable to understand, Togo x

[Togo]

Off you go then.

[shoota]

Can I watch?

[pixie374]

Feel free, shoots... at least you'll understand it :-)

[ToraToraTora]

Mozz: "Tora says that he is against non-binary people because it changes society. " - err where have I said that? I'm against all this BS because it's BS, there are XX and XY, end of. The rest is LibFac cobras pandering to self indulgent bowlocks.

[ToraToraTora]

"I think Tora feels society is being weakened through us accommodating non binary / transgender people" - err nope, I just don't get why they want special treatment all the time.

[jim360]

Is it really so hard to accept that there is more to the human condition than you personally are capable of experiencing, TTT?

As pixie has explained countless times: XX/XY is sex. There are some technical subtleties, because of course there are -- biology is always more complicated than people learn about at school -- but those can be put to one side*. Then there is gender, which is about how people see themselves and how people are seen within society. The two are different words. Gender is much more nuanced. Mostly it aligns with sex but doesn't have to.



*There are, in fact, "XX men and XY women", in the sense that for whatever reason, even at birth the genetically-determined sex doesn't match the outward appearance. This is separate from, but of course related to, transgender, because it shows that XX/XY is very much not "end of".

[Mozz71]

//AuthorMozz: "Tora says that he is against non-binary people because it changes society. " - err where have I said that?//

Here at 15:28 today:

"AuthorMozz: "Tora, why does somebody you've never met identifying as a different gender to their birth "sex" concern you so much? " - because of the effect it has on our society. "

[Mozz71]

//I'm against all this BS because it's BS, there are XX and XY, end of. The rest is LibFac cobras pandering to self indulgent bowlocks.//

Impossible for you to know that. It's like me saying "I don't understand how a man can fall in love with another man, therefore I don't think that gay men are real." It would be a dickish opinion, and factually inacurate. I had an ex who didn't believe that depression was a real thing. Just because you (or her) didn't share something, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[ToraToraTora]

jim: //*There are, in fact, "XX men and XY women"// - err no, there are XXY and XYY both primarily male but they are rare and not the norm. I accept there are natural anomalies what I do not accept is the plethora of attention seeking weirdos that crave the lime light above all else. Modern society has given them a handle to grasp that's all. If anything they actually ruin the chances of those with a real state of being, the afore mentioned XXY/XYY types.

[ToraToraTora]

Mozz, 21:10 ok yes I am concerned about the energy spent by society to indulge these weirdos.

[jim360]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndrome

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_gonadal_dysgenesis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_insensitivity_syndrome