I Thought We Did A Free Trade Deal With The E U S S R ?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55734277
so why is this woman being charged? I know there is more red tape but I thought the deal signed meant free trade so what's occurin?

[david small]

I smell kippers.

[TheChair]

We didn't do a Free Trade deal with the EU. We were offered one, but Boris decided he didn't want one. We did a trade deal. For someone who does so much shouting in favour of Brexit, you once again reveal how little you actually understand it. Never mind. Pull up your Union Flag underpants and carry on shouting.

[Old_Geezer]

One would need to look at the details of the agreement. Import duties are not uncommon.

[Ellipsis]

The same also applies the other way - EU consumers buying UK goods are charged extra taxes and duties.

[Old_Geezer]

She would have paid more under WTO too. Buy British.

[bednobs]

we HAD a free trade deal. Sadly no longer.

[barry1010]

That's the new rules
From 11pm on 31 December 2020, consignments of goods with a value of £135 or less that are outside:

the UK and sold directly to customers (not through an online marketplace) in Great Britain (England, Scotland and Wales) will have UK supply VAT charged at the point of sale
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-and-overseas-goods-sold-directly-to-customers-in-the-uk

[Old_Geezer]

The 'free' trade deal wasn't free. It came with horrendous unacceptable requirements. Happily we're free of it.

[New Judge]

These are charges levied by the UK, Tora. Import duties and VAT. I believe the courier firm added an "admin" charge as well, but the bulk of it was fees levied by the UK on imports. We are not compelled to do it, but £££££s Ker-ching!

[Ellipsis]

Bear in mind that the deal was agreed on Christmas Eve and all the UK and EU websites that sold cross-border were supposed to then integrate that deal into their systems by New Years Day. Classic self-importance of management (or governments in this case) - take an age to make a decision, then expect that decision to be implemented in no time.

[KARL]

It seems to me that the case in question is one of "Personal/private importation". All government import charges, including VAT, will be based on the purchase price plus all transportation/delivery charges. As already pointed out, there may then be additional fees levied by those who process the paperwork, payment to the Exchequer, etc., etc. This is the new and clear order of things. Freedom at last.

[ToraToraTora]

ok ok can we stop the remoaner cobras and someone sensible, judge? explain. According to this EUSSR site we have a free trade agreement so why is this woman being charged by the UK for buying something from Yerp? https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_2531

[gulliver1]

Ha Ha . Turkeys who voted for Christmas, and Boris's oven ready deal, now coming back to bite you up the Bottle, And this is only the start, should have been careful what you wished for.

[jno]

there's no bar on importing coats, so the trade is still free. But Britain is now able to demand import duties, and it will. That's how governments raise money. They had an agreement with Europe not to do so but that ended unilaterally three weeks ago. Europe will no doubt be doing the same with British goods, but that's up to them.

[gulliver1]

TTT , you should award best answer to "The chair" at 11.28.

[ToraToraTora]

jno that makes no sense, how is it a free trade agreement if we each demand import duties? Surely that's the point, to not charge import duties. I think Karl may have something with "personal private importation" - but do either side want to limit sales by doping this?

[ToraToraTora]

the chair: "We didn't do a Free Trade deal with the EU" - according to your beloved EUSSR, we did: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_2531.
"We were offered one, but Boris decided he didn't want one. We did a trade deal" - err no, see your previous point.
"For someone who does so much shouting in favour of Brexit, you once again reveal how little you actually understand it." - in light of the above it seems I understand it a lot better than you
"Never mind. Pull up your Union Flag underpants and carry on shouting. " - I'm not shouting I'm happy I won, you are the one still whining like a jumbo jet, I merely seek clarification on this point, shame you can't join in the discussion rather than shouting yaa boo from the side lines.

[New Judge]

The link you provided says this, Tora:

"It [the EU:UK agreement] provides for zero tariffs and zero quotas on all goods that comply with the appropriate rules of origin."

It says nothing about duties and VAT being imposed on retail customers by the UK (or the EU for that matter). These are charges that the UK government has imposed now that it is able to. I don't think we can lay the blame for this at the door of the EU (and believe me, I would be the first to do so if we could!). As I understand it, we could stop levying them immediately if we wanted to. That said, and sticking to my principles, I don't care what the UK government decides so long as it is able to make the decision without EU influence. I may not agree with the decision but I will defend the right for them to make it because that is what I have argued for throughout. The EU has made a few good decisions here and there but I don't care for them. I will defend a bad decision made by the UK government over a good one made by the EU.

//Classic self-importance of management (or governments in this case) - take an age to make a decision, then expect that decision to be implemented in no time.//

Absolutely spot on, ellipsis (even if a little off-topic). The way the agreement was bulldozed through Parliament and the speed at which it occurred was an absolute disgrace. UK MPs should have had at least three months to mull over the details of a 1,200 page document. Instead they had (I think) about 36 hours during Christmas week when they had all cleared off home. Of course over the coming months various issues and anomalies will surface because the only people who have read it properly are those who drafted it - and I imagine they only read their particular area of it.

[Peter Pedant]

oh dear TTT
sweet fellow
TTT coming to his cake and ha'penny - how sad (*)

( er that is northern slang for
wakes up smells the coffee and says o god I see now that bexiting was as bad as they said it would be.)

TTT - ripostes - never never - I dont car how bad it gets, I would NEVER say that ! ( hope and gloire plays in the back ground) whilst TTT intones: we will fight them on the beaches.....

(*) hahahaha no oh god I am really enjoying this!

[THECORBYLOON]

The trade is "free" because it's not restricted, there's no tariffs, no quotas and no discrimination.

The duties are imposed regardless of their origin unless there's an agreement to the contrary.